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So if someone wants to file a complaint with FIDE I would imagine that they can.
This matter is old. Check chesstalk's archives. FIDE was contacted but a lack of real evidences could not stop the title process. As a result the CFC implemented that the title nominees must have an appropriate CFC rating too if they wish to get a title.
Any player from Canada who applies for a FIDE player title must have maintained a CFC rating for at least 15 games, which is not more than 100 points below the FIDE benchmark for the title/norm in question.
TITLE___FIDE Benchmark___Minimum CFC Rating
FM______2300_____________2200
IM______2451_____________2351
GM______2601_____________2501
WFM____2100_____________2000
WIM____2251_____________2151
WGM____2401_____________2301
[Motion 2009-10, 2009 AGM Bond/Lavin]
I doubt he is anywhere close to 2300 strength at the age of 75 especially with a blitz rating of 1900 on ICC.
Blitz play is something which declines over the age of 70, I've noticed. Actual regular time playing strength would likely depend on other factors such as general health as an example and other things which vary with the individual. A person also has to remember the lines he plays.
Young players have other difficulties. There are some who can play an opening with great success but when someone plays it against them they don't do very well. They can win with it but not necessarily against it. I've noticed that in GM's who will remain unnamed.
Any player from Canada who applies for a FIDE player title must have maintained a CFC rating for at least 15 games, which is not more than 100 points below the FIDE benchmark for the title/norm in question.
TITLE___FIDE Benchmark___Minimum CFC Rating
FM______2300_____________2200
Note that this rule has not really been applied so far.
If I understand well, in 2009 the CFC voted for such a rule, to make sure than no Canadian player might apply in the future for an undeserved FIDE title.
But in 2011, young Jason Cao applied for and got his FM title, even though his highest CFC rating was around 1500 at the time.
I am not suggesting that Jason Cao did not deserve his title. Who am I to know? But one thing is sure, in this case at least, the CFC decided to ignore its own rule. In my opinion, since this rule seems optional and subjective (sometimes it should be applied, sometimes not), then it would have been much better not to vote for it in the first place.
If I understand well, in 2009 the CFC voted for such a rule, to make sure than no Canadian player might apply in the future for an undeserved FIDE title.
But in 2011, young Jason Cao applied for and got his FM title, even though his highest CFC rating was around 1500 at the time.
I am not suggesting that Jason Cao did not deserve his title. Who am I to know? But one thing is sure, in this case at least, the CFC decided to ignore its own rule. In my opinion, since this rule seems optional and subjective (sometimes it should be applied, sometimes not), then it would have been much better not to vote for it in the first place.
That is completely different. Jason earned the title by winning the world under 10 championship. The win entitles him to the title immediately. Certainly he did not pre-arrange results in this tournament.
When someone pre-arranges results in a norms tournament that is obviously bad, and this case was at the very least suspicious, especially since no games were provided. Currently there is a requirement to provide games for a norm performance.
That is completely different. Jason earned the title by winning the world under 10 championship. The win entitles him to the title immediately. Certainly he did not pre-arrange results in this tournament.
The rule: "Any player from Canada who applies for a FIDE player title must have maintained a CFC rating for at least 15 games, which is not more than 100 points below the FIDE benchmark for the title/norm in question."
But there is nothing about pre-arranged results in this rule? Only the requirement that one should not get a FIDE title if the CFC rating is too low?
The rule: "Any player from Canada who applies for a FIDE player title must have maintained a CFC rating for at least 15 games, which is not more than 100 points below the FIDE benchmark for the title/norm in question."
But there is nothing about pre-arranged results in this rule? Only the requirement that one should not get a FIDE title if the CFC rating is too low?
I believe that this rule is for rating based applications. Titles obtained by winning specific tournaments are really responsibility of FIDE. Although I do think that in some cases titles based on tournament wins are kind of ridiculous, although starting from July 1st, it will be somewhat harder to obtain titles from tournaments. What will affect Canadians the most is the fact that getting titles in Zonals will be more difficult.
This matter is old. Check chesstalk's archives. FIDE was contacted but a lack of real evidences could not stop the title process. As a result the CFC implemented that the title nominees must have an appropriate CFC rating too if they wish to get a title.
Hal Bond is your contact person for more details.
Then if he's had his 'date in court', I suggest dredging it up again with no additional evidence or circumstances is not reasonable.
Although I am wondering, if I move to Europe more or less permanently, join a federation over there etc. I don't think I would be any longer bound by CFC rules. How long would that take? As soon as I join the other federation? There has to be some reasonable point because I'm not coming back to Canada to play in CFC games. This is more than a theoretical possibility in my case. I know what tax law is regarding being a non-resident of Canada but I don't what the rules are to be considered a non-CFC regulated player.
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Wednesday, 1st May, 2013, 04:52 PM.
If I understand well, in 2009 the CFC voted for such a rule, to make sure than no Canadian player might apply in the future for an undeserved FIDE title.
But in 2011, young Jason Cao applied for and got his FM title, even though his highest CFC rating was around 1500 at the time.
I am not suggesting that Jason Cao did not deserve his title. Who am I to know? But one thing is sure, in this case at least, the CFC decided to ignore its own rule. In my opinion, since this rule seems optional and subjective (sometimes it should be applied, sometimes not), then it would have been much better not to vote for it in the first place.
As Egidijus notes, the process seems to be different for titles awarded at special events. Usually, a bunch of requirements must be met, proof of those requirements submitted, and the result finally approved at a FIDE general meeting. Special Event titles, on the other hand, seem to happen automatically. You can even see on the player's FIDE card that the approval is different ("Title Approved by President")
Then if he's had his 'date in court', I suggest dredging it up again with no additional evidence or circumstances is not reasonable.
Although I am wondering, if I move to Europe more or less permanently, join a federation over there etc. I don't think I would be any longer bound by CFC rules. How long would that take? As soon as I join the other federation? There has to be some reasonable point because I'm not coming back to Canada to play in CFC games. This is more than a theoretical possibility in my case. I know what tax law is regarding being a non-resident of Canada but I don't what the rules are to be considered a non-CFC regulated player.
Essentially, if you want to do it quickly, it involves giving FIDE money (and possibly the original federation, in this case the CFC, as well if the host federation objects).
How much money depends on how strong you are (5000 euro for a GM to FIDE, 50,000 euro to the host federation for a 2700 GM) That amount might not include the base 250 euro fee for transferring.).
It gets cheaper (even free) if you move and don't play for a period of time.
But... it may not be to your advantage to transfer. The rules for norm tournaments include requirements for numbers of foreign players. So, having a foreign federation to where you actually live can be quite valuable. I met a Greek in Cyprus once who had US federation status. Despite only having a 2000 or so rating, he told me he was regularly invited to tournaments because of that.
Essentially, if you want to do it quickly, it involves giving FIDE money (and possibly the original federation, in this case the CFC, as well if the host federation objects).
How much money depends on how strong you are (5000 euro for a GM to FIDE, 50,000 euro to the host federation for a 2700 GM) That amount might not include the base 250 euro fee for transferring.).
It gets cheaper (even free) if you move and don't play for a period of time.
But... it may not be to your advantage to transfer. The rules for norm tournaments include requirements for numbers of foreign players. So, having a foreign federation to where you actually live can be quite valuable. I met a Greek in Cyprus once who had US federation status. Despite only having a 2000 or so rating, he told me he was regularly invited to tournaments because of that.
Thanks Roger. 250 euro would buy a lot of great beer in Munich.
The late Bill Hook moved from the US to the British Virgin Islands in 1968 - representing them in many Olympiads - winning a Board 1 medal in Malta, 1980. He played (and lost to) Fischer in the 1970 Siegen Olympiad.
He would be considered a "weak master" - with a USCF rating floor of 2200 (usually staying at that level).
Move to a small country in which you may be the only Master, and you have a good chance of winning an Olympiad board prize - due to the fact that your team will almost always lose to stronger teams (even though you - as board 1 - might win), and you will be paired more often against weak(er) teams (you - as board 1 - will almost always win).
Last edited by Hugh Brodie; Wednesday, 1st May, 2013, 10:02 PM.
Reason: Wrong year for Malta Olympiad.
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