COVID-19 ... how we cope :)

[Hans Jung]

California has reached 50,000 dead and the pace is not slowing.

[Aris Marghetis]

Many of you I suspect will find this quite interesting

Why Does the Pandemic Seem to Be Hitting Some Countries Harder Than Others? | The New Yorker

Thanks Tony, very interesting.

[Aris Marghetis]

An interesting article comparing the Western G7 countries across multiple axes:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pan...ng_1613_246959

[Sid Belzberg]

An interesting article comparing the Western G7 countries across multiple axes:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pan...ng_1613_246959

Tendentious garbage, the article completely ignores the fact that the vast majority of deaths in Canada occurred in elder care facilities. No early intervention was
offered to these victims as Dr's were blocked or shamed from doing so including basic FDA GRASS (Generally, Regard as Safe) compounds including
Ivermectin or nutraceuticals such as vitamin D3 and Zinc instead (even though most COVID victims are d3 and zinc-deficient) choosing not to treat the victims
until it was too late and putting them on a ventilator and blowing their lungs out and killing them.
All of this to push experimental rushed vaccines with no longitudinal studies and while waiting for the vaccines impose devastating lockdowns
and delayed vital treatment for other diseases when the virus treated early pre-hospitalization has been easily treatable since the start.

Today in Ontario elderly people are still being murdered by clueless Govt bureaucrats that deny these people early treatment.
It is a truly vile and disgusting crime against humanity.

You want to see a populous country that handled the Pandemic much better, here is an article about India.

https://covexit.com/the-mystery-behi...ing-the-curve/

[Dilip Panjwani]

Tendentious garbage, the article completely ignores the fact that the vast majority of deaths in Canada occurred in elder care facilities. No early intervention was
offered to these victims as Dr's were blocked or shamed from doing so including basic FDA GRASS (Generally, Regard as Safe) compounds including
Ivermectin or nutraceuticals such as vitamin D3 and Zinc instead (even though most COVID victims are d3 and zinc-deficient) choosing not to treat the victims
until it was too late and putting them on a ventilator and blowing their lungs out and killing them.
All of this to push experimental rushed vaccines with no longitudinal studies and while waiting for the vaccines impose devastating lockdowns
and delayed vital treatment for other diseases when the virus treated early pre-hospitalization has been easily treatable since the start.

Today in Ontario elderly people are still being murdered by clueless Govt bureaucrats that deny these people early treatment.
It is a truly vile and disgusting crime against humanity.

You want to see a populous country that handled the Pandemic much better, here is an article about India.

https://covexit.com/the-mystery-behi...ing-the-curve/

Sid,
Do you have an explanation for the current high numbers of daily cases and daily deaths in Israel and UAE, despite successful vaccination campaigns? Their numbers have fallen less than in countries with very little vaccination (like Canada) and the fall also seems to be plateauing off...

[Sid Belzberg]

Sid,
Do you have an explanation for the current high numbers of daily cases and daily deaths in Israel and UAE, despite successful vaccination campaigns? Their numbers have fallen less than in countries with very little vaccination (like Canada) and the fall also seems to be plateauing off...

So far in the US the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Report System) at the CDC has recorded close to a thousand deaths and well
over 12000 adverse events. These numbers are magnitudes higher than VAERS for flu vaccines.
The vaccine does not provide "sterile immunization" instead only treating the symptoms but not preventing transmission
or infection.

This unpublished report just came out of the UK today forwarded from one of my colleagues.

Early effectiveness of COVID vaccines.pdf

Noteworthy is this:
"There are still significant numbers of vaccinated individuals who go on to develop COVID-19 and our study indicates that vaccinated individuals must maintain other precautions, in particular during the first two to three weeks after vaccination. We also provide evidence that BNT162b2 is effective at preventing severe disease. Further evidence is needed on the duration of any effect and the effect against asymptomatic infection and transmission and the four UK nations will work closely to develop and share evidence on this as it becomes available"

in other words, significant gaps in data exist with these experimental vaccines. Given that the experimental vaccine is simply another treatment and does not prevent transmission of infection it makes no sense why early interventions that have a long history of safety are not favored over an experimental vaccine.
Bottom line the Vaccine is just another experimental therapeutic that does nothing to stop transmission or infection. It treats symptoms. This is why the vaccine approach is not working and so far the only approach that does work is early intervention.


Recently I was inspired by the New Yorker hit piece posted earlier here on chess talk to do this case study of East African countries that I shared with the
c19 group. Several East African countries favored Flavionoids together with Artimesian Annua a well-known
herb with strong anti-malarial anti-cancer, antibacterial and antiviral properties.

These countries fared so well that they got the ire of the WHO when they flatly turned down vaccines as
they did not need them. Amazing how the poorest countries in the world handled the pandemic far better than the pharma corrupted Western countries.

This is the post I did,

Madagascar's President Andry Rajoelina not only used this compound for treating COVID in
his country but also exported it to many African countries including Tanzania,
The Comororus, Guinea Bissau, and Equatorial Guinea

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...id-africa.html
in April and May of last year.

So let's see how these countries fared in the Pandemic according to World Meter

Deaths per million

Tanzania- .3 (Lancet article claims Tanzania not reporting cases/deaths)

Comoros- 163

Guinea Bissau- 24

Equatorial Guinea- 64

Madagascar- 11

Given that most of the other countries that embraced this treatment went through the

pandemic comparatively unscathed it is completely rational why Tanzania has rejected

imposing experimental vaccines on their population for an easily treatable virus.

The Lancet articles make no reference to what therapeutics Tanzania's have embraced
simply referring to them as a "herbal concoction including ginger, garlic, and lemons,
and inhaled steam from herbs" and to no one's surprise omitting this most important component "Artemisia Annua".

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...362-7/fulltext


Not only are countries in these regions accused of putting out bad data (here is a hit piece in the New Yorker)

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...m_medium=email

In the above rather lengthy article, they avoid the subject of early intervention and therapeutics.

in fact, even hit pieces were being published about Artemesia Annua itself in late 2019


Here is an article that tries to lead the reader to believe that Artimesia Annua is
directly linked to hepatitis and is very dangerous even though just like HCQ
it is on the WHO list as a safe and important anti-malarial drug.

Clearly, Pharma has planned the Pandemic and were covering their basis prior to it with dubious articles
on any early intervention that had efficacy

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6798169/


Interestingly many concluded in the past that Artimisea Annua work's even better in combination with Flavinoids in many diseases.

https://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/15/5/3135/htm


Bottom line this is an example of yet another example of a promising inexpensive safe treatment that has all kinds of
propaganda against it in Big Pharma's relentless pursuit to vaccinate the world.

[Sid Belzberg]

Great interview with a good friend of mine and a true hero in these times.

https://rumble.com/vdsy67-asia-pacif...th-dr-pet.html

[Sid Belzberg]

Sid,
Do you have an explanation for the current high numbers of daily cases and daily deaths in Israel and UAE, despite successful vaccination campaigns? Their numbers have fallen less than in countries with very little vaccination (like Canada) and the fall also seems to be plateauing off...

Interesting article about your question. However, this article should be taken with a grain of salt, some claim the
numbers are misinterpreted,

https://www.francesoir.fr/videos-deb...rpellent-video

[Dilip Panjwani]

The vaccine does not provide "sterile immunization" instead only treating the symptoms but not preventing transmission
or infection.

Does this mean that the Covid19 virus continues to survive and mutate and be transmitted within the vaccinated population, without negative effects on its survival due to more deleterious mutations, at least till such time as a mutation overrides the immunity and a new shot of vaccine becomes necessary? If so, the unvaccinated population would become subject to deadlier mutations with a higher case fatality rate, than would be the case in a world without Covid19 vaccines, wherein only innocuous mutations get a survival advantage...
This is not what has happened with Measles, Small pox, Rubella, etc. etc. vaccinations, which have been highly successful for humanity...

[Sid Belzberg]

Does this mean that the virus continues to survive and mutate and be transmitted within the vaccinated population, without negative effects on its survival due to more deleterious mutations, at least till such time as a mutation overrides the immunity and a new shot of vaccine becomes necessary? If so, the unvaccinated population would become subject to deadlier mutations with a higher case fatality rate, than would be the case in a world without vaccines, wherein only innocuous mutations get a survival advantage...
This is not what has happened with Measles, Small pox, Rubella, etc. etc. vaccinations, which have been highly successful for humanity...

I have only studied the Moderna and Pfizer MRNA vaccines. This approach is novel and has not been tried before. With SARS COV! they tried mRNA. vaccines and many animals ended up dying from ADE. (Antibody-Dependent Enhanced Immunity) so they abandoned the idea. Until the inoculated population is exposed to a wild-type mutant virus we do not have the data needed to evaluate the safety of this experimental vaccine.

Many safe early interventions exist that do not require turning entire populations into experimental guinea pigs. Moreover denying people their civil rights and therapeutics for an easily treatable virus and ruining lives with prolonged lockdowns has not been very successful for humanity.

[Dilip Panjwani]

Numbers for North Dakota appear to be down in recent days. Good for them.
I was wondering why the comparison to Israel, but then I realized they are leading in the vaccination race. Good for them.
And I see Kerry has alerted us to potentially more good news from Israel on better vaccines to come. Excellent.

But I am not sure I would use the "winning" to describe North Dakota vs. Israel in the race to herd immunity.

Israel has approx. 12 times the population of North Dakota, so keep that in mind.
Even then, North Dakota vs. Israel in the last few days, "winning".

But let's look at the cumulative numbers, death rate per capita.

North Dakota - 1,874 deaths per million.
Israel - 562 deaths per million.

Let's see if North Dakota can close the gap in coming days.

Bob,
I was surprised to see that for 2020, excess deaths in North Dakota were 4% of expected average, while the corresponding figure for Israel was 6.5%. So does North Dakota turn out to have done the right thing from the start?

[Dilip Panjwani]

. and ruining lives with prolonged lockdowns has not been very successful for humanity.

Sid,
Some figures to support your statement:
Excess mortality in 2020 for Sweden was 1.5%, vs. 6% for Canada!

[Sid Belzberg]

Sid,
Some figures to support your statement:
Excess mortality in 2020 for Sweden was 1.5%, vs. 6% for Canada!

Thanks, Dilip, the data is so misclassified (especially with the CDC) with a bias towards COVID19 that
the only reliable barometer is indeed overall excess deaths.
Here is a good documentary that just was released that includes interviews with a few of my friends, enjoy,
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6yrqaGdctDmq/

[Bob Gillanders]

Bob,
I was surprised to see that for 2020, excess deaths in North Dakota were 4% of expected average, while the corresponding figure for Israel was 6.5%. So does North Dakota turn out to have done the right thing from the start?

I don't know. An update on the numbers I track are the cumulative mortality rates.
As of yesterday,

North Dakota - 1901 deaths per million
Israel - 640 deaths per million.

So the gap has closed a little since the last update, but overall it appears numbers for North Dakota are still much more worse than Israel.

I do understand the arguments surrounding excess death stats. But if you believe they support the premise North Dakota got it right, show us your calculations.
Do the math and support your claim.

[Peter McKillop]

Bob,
I was surprised to see that for 2020, excess deaths in North Dakota were 4% of expected average, while the corresponding figure for Israel was 6.5%. So does North Dakota turn out to have done the right thing from the start?

Dilip (or Bob, or Sid), where do you get excess death stats from? I haven't been following this thread for a little while so please excuse me for taking the lazy route by asking for the info rather than drilling back through posts. One thing I don't understand is how you can draw conclusions from a net excess deaths number. Wouldn't you need a breakdown of deaths per period from all of the major causes in order to assess more accurately covid's impact? If net excess deaths (i.e. the supposed net covid impact) were X but, during the same period, traffic deaths were down 25% due to lockdowns, and deaths from other causes were up/down, then you need all of that data, don't you?