Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change (ANCC)

[Dilip Panjwani]

Really? Are you sure? I am likely misunderstanding what you are saying.

You are saying the Heat Index in USA was 4 times higher in the 1930's.
So, if say the USA heat index for 2023 is say 80 degrees F, then it was 320 degrees F back in the 1930's.
You can't actually be saying that. Please explain.

If you look at the Heat wave index graph in the link in my post, it was >1.2 at its peak in the 1930s, and around 0.2 otherwise. The average annual temp. and average annual heat index is very much lower than 80 F, I think.

[Bob Gillanders]

Absolutely.
And Bob G does not realize that the Heat Index which factors in moisture and 'wet bulb temperatures', was four times higher in the 1930s...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/not-...summer-explain

Bob A, when your very busy life allows, it would be worth reading the above article before you waste your very precious time on climate change anxiety statements.

Really? Are you sure? I am likely misunderstanding what you are saying.

You are saying the Heat Index in USA was 4 times higher in the 1930's.
So, if say the USA heat index for 2023 is say 80 degrees F, then it was 320 degrees F back in the 1930's.
You can't actually be saying that. Please explain.

[Bob Armstrong]

Statement # 4

Slight revision proposed by Group Secretary - incorrect wording and punctuation:

Old: From 1650 (200 years before the Industrial Revolution [Started: 1850]; 1650 is earliest global temperature recording), the Earth's mean temperature has been rising naturally (Earth has been in a natural warming cycle; it has gone through various cooling and warming cycles before this current warming one). There is surface temperature data for the period 1650 to 1850, and beyond, from the records of the UK Meteorological Observatory. Some propose that they are sufficient to use to analyze our increasing temperature problem.

Support - Sid Belzberg - Post # 1296 (23/4/29)

"Bob, concerning statement [4 – formerly 3] - Given that heart of the early Industrial Revolution started in the UK, where manmade CO2 emissions were significant, it is an excellent platform to analyze the data.”

New: Since the year 1650 (200 years before the Industrial Revolution [Started: 1850], which is the earliest global temperature recording), the Earth's mean temperature has been rising naturally (Earth has been in a natural warming cycle; it has gone through various cooling and warming cycles before this current warming one). There is surface temperature data for the period 1650 to 1850, and beyond, from the records of the UK Meteorological Observatory. Some propose that they are sufficient to use to analyze our increasing temperature problem.

Support - Sid Belzberg - Post # 1296 (23/4/29)

Given that heart of the early Industrial Revolution started in the UK, where manmade CO2 emissions were significant, it is an excellent platform to analyze the data.”


According to our protocol, if this is not challenged within one week, then it is considered "generally accepted".

Bob A (As Group Secretary)

[Bob Armstrong]

Proposal

for

Statement # 2A re Negative Climate Change

(Statement numbers to be revised if accepted)


“The term “Record-Breaking” is sometimes loosely/wrongly used in the Main Stream Media re Earth's currently rising temperature. Cities across the globe may have unique geographic and meteorological characteristics that determine current temperature variations. Fact checking may be necessary.”


If unchallenged for one week, our protocol is that the Statement is “generally accepted”.

Bob A (As Group Secretary – trying to capture the essence of much conversation earlier re Statement # 2).

[Dilip Panjwani]

Absolutely correct; the 1936 summer heatwave is generally considered the most severe heatwave in U.S. history. It is often referred to as the "Dust Bowl" heatwave because it occurred during the Great Plains Dust Bowl era, exacerbating the drought and dust storms in the region.

The 2012 summer heatwave was also significant, however, while it was a severe event, it has not reached the same level of historical significance or severity as the 1936 heatwave.

Absolutely.
And Bob G does not realize that the Heat Index which factors in moisture and 'wet bulb temperatures', was four times higher in the 1930s...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/not-...summer-explain

Bob A, when your very busy life allows, it would be worth reading the above article before you waste your very precious time on climate change anxiety statements.

[Sid Belzberg]

But 1936 was a dry heat, and with global warming we have more moisture now, so we need to be concerned with human tolerance to heat and humidity.
-Bob Gillanders.

On the positive side, we are now not experiencing the 'Dust Bowl'!
And also because of our moist conditions, the forest-fire arsonists (both the active and the passive) are less 'successful' than they would have otherwise been.
So relax, Bob G...

Absolutely correct; the 1936 summer heatwave is generally considered the most severe heatwave in U.S. history. It is often referred to as the "Dust Bowl" heatwave because it occurred during the Great Plains Dust Bowl era, exacerbating the drought and dust storms in the region.

The 2012 summer heatwave was also significant, however, while it was a severe event, it has not reached the same level of historical significance or severity as the 1936 heatwave.

[Dilip Panjwani]

[QUOTE=Bob Gillanders;n227962]

But 1936 was a dry heat, and with global warming we have more moisture now, so we need to be concerned with human tolerance to heat and humidity.
-Bob Gillanders.

On the positive side, we are now not experiencing the 'Dust Bowl'!
And also because of our moist conditions, the forest-fire arsonists (both the active and the passive) are less 'successful' than they would have otherwise been.
So relax, Bob G...

[Bob Gillanders]

Your "protocol" is simply a reflection of only a very few Chesstalkers caring about this subject. Of the very few that care, Dillip and myself are the minority dissident voices. Hence you may as well put down any propaganda you want and declare it "generally accepted." The worst part, Bob A, is you have not even listened to the two videos that you stated you would do months(!) ago so sorry, but for me, you are no longer a credible voice in this debate.

Leaving just Sid and Dilip.

[Bob Gillanders]

You omit the fact that the UN Secretary General's claim that this summer's heat is record-breaking does not even come close to the summer of 1936. Please explain this lie.

Am I responsible now for statements from UN Secretary General? Who put me in charge?

Anyway, I am sure he was speaking about global temperatures. So should you be comparing that to North American heat wave of 1936?

And it's only July, so take any statements with a grain of salt.
And YES, of course he is trying to scare us. Or put more diplomatically, alert us to the dangers of climate change.

[Sid Belzberg]

Statement # 2 re Negative Climate Change





Earth's mean temperature is now rising, has been for some time, and will likely continue to rise for some time in the future.

Acceptance Processing

Challenge 1

Challenge 1 by Sid Belzberg - Post # 1296 – 23/4/29

Defence to this Challenge by Bob Armstrong – Post # 1485 - 23/7/22

Conclusion

For approx. one week after Bob A's Defence, not one other CT'er has come forward to support the Challenge.

Under our protocol, the Statement # 2 would again have become “generally accepted”.

However, a second Challenge was launched by Dilip Panjwani. So “acceptance” must occur again.

Challenge 2

Challenge 2 by Dilip Panjwani - Post # 1486 – 23/7/22

Defence 1 by Fred Harvey – Post # 1487 - 23/7/23. He added to his Defence (Post # 1502 – 23/7/24).

There were multiple posts back and forth on Challenge 2.

Supplement to Challenge 2 - In the one week since Defence 1, only 1 CT'er, Sid Belzberg (Post # 1489 - 23/7/23), came forward to Supplement Dilip's Challenge 2. But Dilip advised Sid that Dilip felt his intervention was wrong (Post # Post # 1492 - 23/7/23).

Conclusion

Not one other CT'er came forward to support Challenge 2.

In fact, in addition to Fred, 2 CT'ers (Bob Gillanders, Bob Armstrong) came forward to defend the Statement # 2.

Under our protocol, the Statement # 2 is again “generally accepted”.

Bob A (As Group Secretary)

Your "protocol" is simply a reflection of only a very few Chesstalkers caring about this subject. Of the very few that care, Dillip and myself are the minority dissident voices. Hence you may as well put down any propaganda you want and declare it "generally accepted." The worst part, Bob A, is you have not even listened to the two videos that you stated you would do months(!) ago so sorry, but for me, you are no longer a credible voice in this debate.

[Sid Belzberg]

From your wikipedia link,

The 1936 North American heat wave was one of the most severe heat waves in the modern history of North America. It took place in the middle of the Great Depression and Dust Bowl of the 1930s and caused catastrophic human suffering and an enormous economic toll. The death toll exceeded 5,000, and huge numbers of crops were destroyed by the heat and lack of moisture. Many state and city record high temperatures set during the 1936 heat wave stood until the summer 2012 North American heat wave.[2][3] Many more endure to this day; as of 2022, 13 state record high temperatures were set in 1936. The 1936 heat wave followed one of the coldest winters on record.

You may have missed the reference to 2012 breaking many of the 1936 records. If Dilip would like to continue our simple math exercise, and compare recent years versus 1936, I am all in. But apparently he is bored.

But 1936 was a dry heat, and with global warming we have more moisture now, so we need to be concerned with human tolerance to heat and humidity. Have you heard the term wet bulb temperatures? Here is a video to explain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtKY...nel=DrBenMiles

You omit the fact that the UN Secretary General's claim that this summer's heat is record-breaking does not even come close to the summer of 1936. Please explain this lie.

[Bob Gillanders]

Hey good news for you BobG I will now "focus" on the provable lie you just fell for hook, line and sinker

The US percentage reaching 100F this year is currently at a record low. In fact, in the month of July, it is at a
record low of 18 percent versus 79% in July of 1936.
.
You can read all about the true record setting North American Heatwave in the summer of 1936 here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_N...ican_heat_wave

CCP Controlled UN Secreatary General Guteress Gutterez claimed that July 2023 will set records for being the hottest month on record.
Of course, his statements were meant to scare the West to invest in more Chinese windmills and solar panels and destroy the United States' energy sector.

And it’s all based on lies. More good news Bobg ,carbon emissions were far lower in 1936 than today and yet without these emissions the US had a record heatwave
that summer! Please explain!

From your wikipedia link,

The 1936 North American heat wave was one of the most severe heat waves in the modern history of North America. It took place in the middle of the Great Depression and Dust Bowl of the 1930s and caused catastrophic human suffering and an enormous economic toll. The death toll exceeded 5,000, and huge numbers of crops were destroyed by the heat and lack of moisture. Many state and city record high temperatures set during the 1936 heat wave stood until the summer 2012 North American heat wave.[2][3] Many more endure to this day; as of 2022, 13 state record high temperatures were set in 1936. The 1936 heat wave followed one of the coldest winters on record.

You may have missed the reference to 2012 breaking many of the 1936 records. If Dilip would like to continue our simple math exercise, and compare recent years versus 1936, I am all in. But apparently he is bored.

But 1936 was a dry heat, and with global warming we have more moisture now, so we need to be concerned with human tolerance to heat and humidity. Have you heard the term wet bulb temperatures? Here is a video to explain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtKY...nel=DrBenMiles

[Bob Armstrong]

Statement # 2 re Negative Climate Change





Earth's mean temperature is now rising, has been for some time, and will likely continue to rise for some time in the future.

Acceptance Processing

Challenge 1

Challenge 1 by Sid Belzberg - Post # 1296 – 23/4/29

Defence to this Challenge by Bob Armstrong – Post # 1485 - 23/7/22

Conclusion

For approx. one week after Bob A's Defence, not one other CT'er has come forward to support the Challenge.

Under our protocol, the Statement # 2 would again have become “generally accepted”.

However, a second Challenge was launched by Dilip Panjwani. So “acceptance” must occur again.

Challenge 2

Challenge 2 by Dilip Panjwani - Post # 1486 – 23/7/22

Defence 1 by Fred Harvey – Post # 1487 - 23/7/23. He added to his Defence (Post # 1502 – 23/7/24).

There were multiple posts back and forth on Challenge 2.

Supplement to Challenge 2 - In the one week since Defence 1, only 1 CT'er, Sid Belzberg (Post # 1489 - 23/7/23), came forward to Supplement Dilip's Challenge 2. But Dilip advised Sid that Dilip felt his intervention was wrong (Post # Post # 1492 - 23/7/23).

Conclusion

Not one other CT'er came forward to support Challenge 2.

In fact, in addition to Fred, 2 CT'ers (Bob Gillanders, Bob Armstrong) came forward to defend the Statement # 2.

Under our protocol, the Statement # 2 is again “generally accepted”.

Bob A (As Group Secretary)

[Sid Belzberg]

Wrong choice of words, Bob G.
Such stuff from UN is not anxiety-provoking, just boring...
Since it seems to be provoking anxiety in you, you need to join the climate-indifferent happy guys!

Hey good news for you BobG I will now "focus" on the provable lie you just fell for hook, line and sinker

The US percentage reaching 100F this year is currently at a record low. In fact, in the month of July, it is at a
record low of 18 percent versus 79% in July of 1936.
.
You can read all about the true record setting North American Heatwave in the summer of 1936 here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_N...ican_heat_wave

CCP Controlled UN Secreatary General Guteress Gutterez claimed that July 2023 will set records for being the hottest month on record.
Of course, his statements were meant to scare the West to invest in more Chinese windmills and solar panels and destroy the United States' energy sector.

And it’s all based on lies. More good news Bobg ,carbon emissions were far lower in 1936 than today and yet without these emissions the US had a record heatwave
that summer! Please explain!

While the CCP is using scare tactics to sell you windmills and solar panels think about FOSUM (the CCP controlled giant Chinese pharmaceutical company that partnered with Pfizer and Moderna to control all the injection manufacturing facilities around the world. Unlike the rest of the World 2020 was a banner year for the Chinese GDP. They make a lot of money wrecking your health and ultimately killing you. Next the artificial energy shortages and food shortages in the name of "climate change" are already happening.

By the way here is an interesting fact A Lancet study revealed that cold weather is responsible for approximately 90% of the 5.1 million annual excess deaths attributed to temperature. If the cold causes 9 times more deaths than heat, would fewer people die if global temperatures were warmer?

[Dilip Panjwani]

UN has now out with a new term, Climate Boiling.
I suspect that will trigger you both with your climate anxiety.

Wrong choice of words, Bob G.
Such stuff from UN is not anxiety-provoking, just boring...
Since it seems to be provoking anxiety in you, you need to join the climate-indifferent happy guys!