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  • Bob Armstrong
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    ANCC Thread Participation

    Views

    Per day from the start of the thread: 119
    Per day last week: 73

    Responses

    Per day from the start of the thread: 7 1/2
    Per day last week: 4

    Analysis: We have now passed the ChessTalk initial momentum period of the first two weeks. Those interested have gotten involved.

    The attempt to solve issues has now become more difficult as we hone in on the reality of achieving positive climate change before we pass the lethal Nature's "Tipping Point" - only about 9 years away!!

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Hi Bob G:

    Your Good video re Capitalism: .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEuS...nel=VersoBooks

    I've posted it to:

    1. my Facebook discussion group, Democratic Marxist Global Forum

    (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2045...ref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARB5MaP7fzlN9ItgmSkMWzv60Rd9mIxsQIkIgIa6_Guh2MGR6mV82GdH-IxgmiiVaJcZ-NLi7Cz46VX0nn78clmPjd-pttzlYPR9dmEubTBnBdnGohd0bl3Fy4k02cb3BVHNVOcfjANvEEUCRw6k1IZDDsZV6l9V1Id5_NomySGWmEpA3Inygttyrt3-jYH1m1M50W3d94tVElUVaZ-SrM-WZ4BkYEj0ZYF5Y5X2d7KRG_MQJtND8fXyDSkU0F1I4FVHkI_eoiyOazUgCRS0lmfetiENOGsaJPb6MfuHzQ92-u7gMI_E8888fus)

    2. my personal Fb account, The REAL News

    (https://www.facebook.com/bob.armstrong.9235)

    Thanks.

    Bob A
    Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Wednesday, 19th January, 2022, 10:45 AM.

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Capitalism is the planet's cancer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEuS...nel=VersoBooks

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Bob G: "Start the protests now, and every day, everywhere."

    I agree.

    Anyone got what they consider a more effective plan to get the world to a 25% acceptance that the global plan must be:

    "Start Radical Climate Change Reforms NOW!"?

    ~ Bob A )(T-S/P)
    Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Tuesday, 18th January, 2022, 10:36 PM.

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Seems there is agreement: Should the USA fall into Fascism (Trump II), then the odds on mankind globally beating the "Tipping Point" deadline drop dramatically, even for those who do not believe that the battle is already lost.

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
    I am inspired. These guys have a plan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYbg...emocracyNow%21

    It seems Democrats have no courage to push voter rights even on MLK day,
    Crazy Conman Trump can bring down the Republicans by bullying them,
    Coal Baron Manchin can stop the Democrats from doing anything,
    so what would be accomplished by waiting for Americans to vote again?

    Start the protests now, and every day, everywhere.


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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Seems there is agreement: Should the USA fall into Fascism (Trump II), then the odds on mankind globally beating the "Tipping Point" deadline drop dramatically, even for those who do not believe that the battle is already lost.

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    If we have to wait out the end of the 2nd American civil war, as Bob G indicates, before dealing with Climate Change.........
    Not precisely what I meant. Continue efforts on climate change, protests, education, research etc.
    But we need to deal with the more immediate threat, Fascism in the USA.

    Again in reference to The Walking Dead, we need to avoid being bitten, whilst continuing the fight.

    But it is MLK day in the USA, so let's hear from his daughter, Dr. Bernice King.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXMa..._channel=MSNBC

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Re my Post # 153 - Answering Responses

    If we have to wait out the end of the 2nd American civil war, as Bob G indicates, before dealing with Climate Change.........

    Can we all agree that we are already toast??

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
    Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Tuesday, 18th January, 2022, 09:23 AM.

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Very good......but what is your time-frame for achieving what you agree is only a start on tackling climate change? If the scientists who propose we have only 9 years to passing Nature's tipping point are right, how will this strategy ever meet the time-frame?
    I am not sure there is much else we can do right now. Until the USA resolves its political mess, we are all being held hostage. I am watching The Walking Dead on Netflix, and if I offer an analogy. The fascists are in our face, we have to deal with that more immediate threat before grabbing the water bucket.

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Hi Bob G:

    Thanks.......it is a good start on building a solution.

    Your idea of hitting poverty, and tweaking the capitalist system, seems sound, except for timing. Your starting campaign platform is:

    A guaranteed Universal Basic Income for everyone.
    Significant wealth taxation especially for those on top.
    Free universal health care and education.

    Very good......but what is your time-frame for achieving what you agree is only a start on tackling climate change? If the scientists who propose we have only 9 years to passing Nature's tipping point are right, how will this strategy ever meet the time-frame?

    I believe that this, though good, and worth working on generally, is not going to avoid Climate Change Suicide. Something more radical has to be proposed for us to meet the time-frame......we have been frittering away our possible salvation for many years now, while our house is burning. We have been warned about the coming fire for many years by many scientists. What will move the electorate to immediate action?


    Also, the corporate structure you have described (One vote per shareholder/member) exists, I believe, in some Not-for-Profit Corporations.

    The Chess Federation of Canada is this. Cyclically, the members get to vote for the members of the Executive/Governors. But then the problem of representative government over direct government comes into play. I am not sure of this, but I think there is no process for recall of Executive/Governors by the membership. Nor is there any "censure" mechanism whereby the members vote on a motion of censure against a certain action of the Executive or Governors. Effectively, we have created a despotic committee which rules chess until the next election.

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
    Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Tuesday, 18th January, 2022, 07:37 AM.

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Hi Bob G:

    The almost 8 billion on this little fragile planet MUST come to agreement with you that "People, and the planet, MUST be valued OVER money (Read capitalist "profit")".

    I for one, would like to know what unformed thoughts are rattling around in your brain about how we, the minuscule minority of positive climate change promoters, ever reach this massive majority, which is effectively living denial?

    Bob A
    The way I see it, we must solve the problems of poverty and greed, on a global scale. Whatever economic system you choose (Capitalism, Socialism, Libertarianism, Marxism, Communism, whatever-ism), if it does not solve these, it is doomed to failure. We all grew up being told Capitalism was great, better than all the rest, self-regulating, just trust us. We all know better now.

    My economic system would include:

    A guaranteed Universal Basic Income for everyone.
    Significant wealth taxation especially for those on top.
    Free universal health care and education.

    This must be accompanied by strong democratic principles and government regulations.

    I know, still idealistic and vague, nothing specific yet.

    Here a specific idea: How about structuring corporations such that every shareholder gets 1 vote. You have 1 share, 1 vote. You have a million shares, 1 vote. Bring democracy to the workplace.

    Anyway, these are all structural changes to our economic and political systems, nothing specific to fighting climate change. I am getting there, but just wanted to lay a foundation first.

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Consequences of Climate Change

    1. Oceans

    Heat

    Hottest ocean temperatures in history recorded last year

    Ocean heating driven by human-caused climate crisis, scientists say, in sixth consecutive year record has been broken

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jan/11/oceans-hottest-temperatures-research-climate-crisis?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20220111&utm_term=The%20Atlantic%20Daily


    2. Weather Extremes

    Heat

    The Americas - USA

    Temperatures in the United States last year set more all-time heat and cold records than any other year since 1994, according to a New York Times analysis of Global Historical Climatology Network data.


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...oV0IiUZ37NKW_s

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)

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  • Peter McKillop
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    Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

    Try:
    Thanks, Dilip. I've reserved a copy at the library.

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Hi Dilip:

    Nice hammering of Capitalism.

    We'll just have to agree to disagree that Libertarianism is the best option for change, to improve our somewhat, at the moment, impotent position.

    For my money, only Democratic Marxism would have the freedom as a government to legally make the radical societal/economic changes needed to avoid the start of climate change suicide around Jan. 1, 2031. Its parties will be totally transparent in their campaigns, and tell the public exactly what pain is necessary for the species to survive.

    Do not be quick to opine that such an honest party could never get elected. Our environment is quickly going to get more and more hostile, and there will be great dislocation. The mindset of the majority is going to assess reality more accurately, and recggnize that some tough medicine will be required to save the situation. They will start to vote for a party that is giving them the straight goods.

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
    Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Sunday, 16th January, 2022, 05:28 PM.

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  • Dilip Panjwani
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    Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
    "[B]

    are there books you would recommend that would go into a lot more detail on the above?
    Try:

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