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The plus/minus statistic is a very good way to judge players on one team in relation to each other, but it does not at all carry over to other teams. Edmonton with their high-powered offence used to bomb teams, so their individual plus/minus records would be different and more impressive looking than a team like the Flyers, the Broad Street Bullies who won two Cups on violence and goaltending, normally by much lower scores.
Agreed, Brad, and this is why there is no active player in the top 40 career plus / minus in the Stanley Cup playoffs. There is so much parity in the league now, blowout games are a rarity. You pointed out about Seattle and Vegas being allowed to build strong teams right from the word go.
The plus/minus statistic is a very good way to judge players on one team in relation to each other, but it does not at all carry over to other teams. Edmonton with their high-powered offence used to bomb teams, so their individual plus/minus records would be different and more impressive looking than a team like the Flyers, the Broad Street Bullies who won two Cups on violence and goaltending, normally by much lower scores.
Wow .... on 2 consecutive nights, 2 players scored 4 goals each in a playoff game, AND their team lost in each game.
Pavelski for Dallas, Draisaitl for Edmonton.
Draisaitl already has 11 goals ... NHL record for an entire playoffs is 19 goals, shared by Reggie Leach (Philadelphia 1976) and Jari Kurri (Edmonton 1985).
Interestlngly, Mike Bossy of NY Islanders had 17 playoff goals for 3 consecutive playoff seasons (1981, 1982, 1983).
EDIT: I did another search, this one on plus / minus for Stanley Cup playoffs.
Career leader: Jari Kurri +101, Larry Robinson (Montreal) +100
But the most interesting thing ....
5 of the top 7 career plus / minus leaders in Stanley Cup playoffs are all from the late 1980s Edmonton dynasty.
Kurri, Charlie Huddy, Wayne Gretzky, Randy Gregg, Glenn Anderson.
Only 1 player from the Islanders dynasty of the early 1980s to be in the top 30 of this stat was Denis Potvin (#6).
WOW......... shows a big difference in characteristic between the two dynasties that imo were the 2 greatest dynasties in NHL history.
Plus / minus seems to be a stat that favors defensemen, slightly.
Last edited by Pargat Perrer; Thursday, 4th May, 2023, 04:10 AM.
I agree that Seattle are a well-coached team. But keep in mind that they had the same luxurious draft conditions that Vegas did. I am not sure why it took them two years while it only took Vegas one. But when you are able to draft like these teams were, you immediately have by far the deepest, most balanced team in the league with by far the best third and fourth lines, by far the best third defensive pair, almost as good a second line and second defensive pair as anyone and about 10 other good players to trade for players to play on your top line and your top defensive pair. All you need to do is find a good goaltender. There would have been something very wrong if these teams were not contenders in their first year, or two.
Seattle beat Dallas because Dallas do not work hard enough, they do too much standing around watching, play too casually and seem to expect someone else to make the plays for them. They are loaded with talent but lack proper attitude. They do have an excellent goaltender.
The Leafs only beat Tampa once in regulation time, the other wins were in overtime, which means that they basically got lucky and won three consecutive coin tosses. I am still not convinced by Toronto who are clearly built to win in the regular season, but this is not playoff hockey (right Neil?). Remember too that the Leafs traded for 25% of their lineup at the trade deadline, is this the way to have a long-term plan to win, or is this a General Manager flying by the seat of his pants trying to save his job? Something inside of me would like to see Toronto win another Stanley Cup before I leave this planet, having been born and raised in Toronto as a devout Leaf fan. But I find myself rooting against them.
Yes, it was comical to see the official bounce the player. Yes, Neil, I thought the same thing as you about Boston, what they were doing was not working very well at all and yet they never seemed to adapt, this means that they were not properly coached. Two more games tonight, you have to love this time of year for our national religion in Canada!!
After game 5ive I was watching and waiting for some sort coaching strategy analyzing Panther's weaknesses ... but nope!
Be surprised if the Bergy and some others come back to play for this guy next year.
By contrast, Seatle must have the best coaching staff in the league. No superstars, and their leading scorer missed most of the Colorado series, yet they won with 13 different players scoring. And now they win game 1 against Dallas. Something special is developing there.
And Florida, wow they look so good all of a sudden. They were down 3 games to 1 against Boston, lost game 4 by a score of 6-2. Suddenly they just can't be beat. They shut down the Leafs in every facet of the game in Game 1.
Look for a LOT of booing of the Leafs get behind in game 2.
Pargat, I agree with what you say about Boston. They did lack the fire in the belly, they went through the motions as if they thought it would be a cakewalk. I was very surprised at how badly they played in their own end. If anyone is to blame, it is the coaching it seems to me. This is fantastic news for Toronto, who now have a good shot at losing to Dallas in the finals.
Montgomery should've been fired today.
After game 5ive I was watching and waiting for some sort coaching strategy analyzing Panther's weaknesses ... but nope!
Be surprised if the Bergy and some others come back to play for this guy next year.
QUESTION: when a team scores after pulling their goalie for an extra attacker, is that considered a "power play" goal?
No. (Unless of course the opponent is a man short.)
Speaking of betting, I wish I had made one too. The year that Vegas entered the league I told many people that they would win the Stanley Cup. I was wrong, they lost in the finals. I am sure I would have made that bet too, had I been a gambler, which I am not. It was easy to predict based upon the drafts they were allowed to make. I said going into the season that if they do not win the Cup their manager should be fired for incompetence.
Now, here is something else. In our language we pluralize the nouns and the verbs, not the adjectives and the adverbs. Yet, every hockey announcer, every written word, every everything and everyone always says/writes "game sevens" instead of "games seven", "game sixes" instead of "games six" and so on. Yet these are paid professionals who are supposed to be able to intelligently speak the language??? Most announcers do say "holes in one" rather than "hole in ones", most announcers do say "Governors General" instead of "Governor Generals", most announcers do say "courts martial" instead of "court martials", so what the hell is the problem when it comes to hockey?
Pargat, I agree with what you say about Boston. They did lack the fire in the belly, they went through the motions as if they thought it would be a cakewalk. I was very surprised at how badly they played in their own end. If anyone is to blame, it is the coaching it seems to me. This is fantastic news for Toronto, who now have a good shot at losing to Dallas in the finals.
Well, well, well, Grandmasterov?! Your boys stunk in their own end, they STUNK. And your fans are a disgrace, booing their team early in the game, allowing the building to go dead quiet, then only jumping on the bandwagon once the players came back no thanks to them. Someone needs to tell the small tame bruins that the playoffs are NOT the regular season. Enjoy the golf course, see you next year. Go Leafs Go!! Dallas over the Leafs in six games for the Cup.
I wonder how the major sports betting sites have been affected by these 2 major upsets. Do they offer bets on the winner of an individual series? If they do, I'm kicking myself that I didn't bet on Florida. I literally felt in my bones they would win the series, but I guess I wanted Boston to face Toronto so I didn't make a bet.
Next time I get that feeling, I'm betting. I didn't have that feeling about Colorado, I thought Edmonton would be the team to put them away.
Leafs will be much harder on Florida that the Bruins were. Having watched game 6 and 7 of the Bruins-Panthers, I was truly shocked how bad Boston was playing. There was no fire. I think their regular season was too easy on them and they were lulled into a false sense of security.
EDIT: an Edmonton - Florida Cup finals would be amazing in one respect: the most northwestern team in the league versus the most southeastern team ("Florida" plays out of Miami).
QUESTION: when a team scores after pulling their goalie for an extra attacker, is that considered a "power play" goal?
Last edited by Pargat Perrer; Monday, 1st May, 2023, 01:59 AM.
Well, well, well, Grandmasterov?! Your boys stunk in their own end, they STUNK. And your fans are a disgrace, booing their team early in the game, allowing the building to go dead quiet, then only jumping on the bandwagon once the players came back no thanks to them. Someone needs to tell the small tame bruins that the playoffs are NOT the regular season. Enjoy the golf course, see you next year. Go Leafs Go!! Dallas over the Leafs in six games for the Cup.
Bruins' David Pastrnak is easily the NHL's 2nd best player, no doubt.
The dude is a hell of a hockey player, but I think that if the Colorado manager called the Boston manager and offered McKinnon in return, one for one, the answer would be yes. I do hope your boys win it tonight, the Leafs against the Bruins is an exciting prospect. A Dallas-Boston final would be insane!!
Last edited by Brad Thomson; Sunday, 30th April, 2023, 12:32 PM.
Dallas outplayed Minnesota in five of the six games, getting very unlucky in the first game that the Wild won in overtime. Minnesota is a bad team that clearly bullied their way through the regular season with intimidation and violence rather than hockey. Years ago, the league instructed the referees to allow this shit, but it does not work that way anymore. Penalties killed any chance the Wild might have had, and once they cleaned up their game they were hopelessly outmatched when it came to talent. But I am not especially impressed with Dallas, they DID allow themselves to be intimidated, and I do not think that they work hard enough overall. They will need to pick up their work ethic if they want to continue advancing. They do skate very well and their power-play is lethal. I hope they play Colorado in the next round rather than Seattle, and for several reasons. First, I attended a game in Dallas against Colorado back in early March. Second, Nathan McKinnon is the second-best player in the game. And third, the Kraken home uniforms are ghastly.
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