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1. Can you give us a specific example of a provision in the "Natural Law" that would protect the "not so rich" from exploitation by the rich?
2. Who would draw up and codify this Natural Law? By any chance would it be .... the rich, i.e. the people who have the wealth and power to put themselves in charge?
3. If your answer to question 2 is yes, it would be the rich, then where would this spirit of egalitarianism come from whereby the powerful would enact laws to protect the not-wealthy from the wealthy? I'm asking this question because you've previously expressed admiration for Peter Thiel, a wealthy individual, who has made it clear that he feels no obligation to help those less fortunate than he is. And Thiel is not alone among his fellow billionaires. So in your libertarian world, Dilip, where will all of these powerful Boy Scouts come from?
Hi Peter,
No one needs to codify the Natural Law...it has always been the same and will always be the same: 'No one can harm anyone, except in fair competition' (and we have discussed what this means, previously). The main, overwhelming responsibility of the 'government' (duly 'elected' in the circles within circles set-up) will be to enforce this Natural Law rigorously. Those who are found to be committing the offences (or deliberately filing frivolous suits) would be the primary bearers of the cost of this enforcement, besides a small amount of indirect taxation on all (and of course those who spend more will end up paying more of this). The thousands of silly and self-contradicting laws which now exist will no longer be necessary...
The main rationale for Marxism, ensuring that the 'workers' are paid a fair wage, will be more than adequately realized by Libertarianism's provision of easy access to capital, as the demand for 'workers' will multiply, and the supply drop, enabling the workers to successfully demand better wages simply by market forces...
And for all you know, the guys who feel 'no obligation' to help may in fact be the most charitable individuals in our society, doing charity out of love and kindness, and not obligation.
Nobody gets sacrificed to anything in Libertarianism. In fact, enforcement of the Natural Law ensures that the rich cannot harm the not so rich. And the not so rich are given easy access to capital to be able to work hard and smart and build their own lives, if they wish to...
In DM, fairness and betterment of society get sacrificed to the political need to rob the minority and transfer that stolen wealth to the majority, in order to win the majority vote.
Understand, Bob?
1. Can you give us a specific example of a provision in the "Natural Law" that would protect the "not so rich" from exploitation by the rich?
2. Who would draw up and codify this Natural Law? By any chance would it be .... the rich, i.e. the people who have the wealth and power to put themselves in charge?
3. If your answer to question 2 is yes, it would be the rich, then where would this spirit of egalitarianism come from whereby the powerful would enact laws to protect the not-wealthy from the wealthy? I'm asking this question because you've previously expressed admiration for Peter Thiel, a wealthy individual, who has made it clear that he feels no obligation to help those less fortunate than he is. And Thiel is not alone among his fellow billionaires. So in your libertarian world, Dilip, where will all of these powerful Boy Scouts come from?
Universal Basic Income (UBI) [Sometimes called the Guaranteed Annual Income]
Under most planned UBI, you can opt in or opt out.
Live on a low modest income supplement (With earned income). Do paid work for fewer hours (Fewer Part-time Jobs) because you now have a modest total "living" wage.
BUT, trial recipients have been seen to be productive in the new unpaid time, such as developing their talents, to contribute something to society (maybe charitable works, etc.)
Or
Opt out, earn as much as you want, don't take a handout, be taxed on a progressive system, and do your own thing as to division of paid work hours/unpaid productive hours.
Note: Those receiving UBI are taxed under the same progressive system as those opting out. The UBI payment is treated as "Income".
But they became more productive and used talents that were unused because previously they had no time to develop them
Bob A (Democratic Marxist)
All this 'productivity' was not charity, right? Then why could they not convert their talented productivity into income to sustain themselves and their families, instead of making the Marxist government rob other hard and smart working tax-payers to pay them?
This is out of step with all prior reports I have read on "UBI" trials over long periods in many countries.
I will have to now go research UBI, since I have not archived this to my knowledge.....but I will go look to see if I have a folder on it, or have put them in another broader archive folder.
My understanding was that, over all, trial participants did start working less (fewer part-time jobs).
But they became more productive (unpaid hours) and used talents that were unused because previously they had no time to develop them, and because they were going to be unpaid hours, which they could not afford.
Read: Josef Pieper: Leisure - the Basis of Culture (1948).
My solution is not to go back to old politics. And it is certainly not Libertarianism with the ordinary citizen being sacrificed to the God of Capitalism.
As you know, I suggest "new" politics: Democratic Marxism (Which is definitely not the old USSR-style Communism).
DM is the legitimate progeny of the writings of the early Karl Marx, the Communist Manifesto & Das Kapital.
My solution is not to go back to old politics. And it is certainly not Libertarianism with the ordinary citizen being sacrificed to the God of Capitalism.
As you know, I suggest "new" politics: Democratic Marxism (Which is definitely not the old USSR-style Communism).
DM is the legitimate progeny of the writings of the early Karl Marx, the Communist Manifesto & Das Kapital.
Bob A (Democratic Marxist)
Nobody gets sacrificed to anything in Libertarianism. In fact, enforcement of the Natural Law ensures that the rich cannot harm the not so rich. And the not so rich are given easy access to capital to be able to work hard and smart and build their own lives, if they wish to...
In DM, fairness and betterment of society get sacrificed to the political need to rob the minority and transfer that stolen wealth to the majority, in order to win the majority vote.
Understand, Bob?
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Wednesday, 25th September, 2024, 08:11 AM.
My solution is not to go back to old politics. And it is certainly not Libertarianism with the ordinary citizen being sacrificed to the God of Capitalism.
As you know, I suggest "new" politics: Democratic Marxism (Which is definitely not the old USSR-style Communism).
DM is the legitimate progeny of the writings of the early Karl Marx, the Communist Manifesto & Das Kapital.
Bob A (Democratic Marxist)
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Wednesday, 25th September, 2024, 07:36 AM.
Libertarian Government under President Javier Milei
"Since he stormed to power pledging to take a chainsaw to the state, Milei, a libertarian and outspoken admirer of Donald Trump, has managed to drag monthly inflation from 26% down to 4%.
But Argentines now see unemployment — not rising prices — as the country’s biggest problem. Official numbers due today are expected to show more than 50% of the population has sunk under the poverty line."
Libertarian Government under President Javier Milei
"Since he stormed to power pledging to take a chainsaw to the state, Milei, a libertarian and outspoken admirer of Donald Trump, has managed to drag monthly inflation from 26% down to 4%.
But Argentines now see unemployment — not rising prices — as the country’s biggest problem. Official numbers due today are expected to show more than 50% of the population has sunk under the poverty line."
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