Democratic Marxism

[Dilip Panjwani]

Bob,
Ever thought of why politics is a 'blood' sport? Because the underhanded rewards for the politicians themselves match the risks they take in fighting to gain power. As far as the 'worker' is concerned, he just pays for the sins of the predators in the corrupt systems you listed in your post #361, all of them except Libertarianism, in which becoming a politician would not be a sought-after career at all (the closest to this ideal is currently in Sweden). That is why Libertarianism is likely to be panacea, and when it will become the norm, with its shining principles of 'universal enforcement of Natural Law' and 'easy access to capital for all', it will unleash society's productivity to bring greater rewards to all... Just break yourself from the shackles of being a Marxist (Marxism has failed again and again), and think fresh for a change...

[Pargat Perrer]

You are forgetting that Libertarianism is the only system in which the only power (and solemn duty) politicians have is to enforce the Natural Law. ''''''''

Bob A. isn't "forgetting", he just knows what you say is total bullshit. There is no LIbertarian Party in North America talking anything about fictitious "Natural Law".

It is your own cultist fantasy. What a sad desperate person you are.

[Dilip Panjwani]

You are forgetting that Libertarianism is the only system in which the only power (and solemn duty) politicians have is to enforce the Natural Law. In all the rest, on the right and the left, politicians violate the Natural Law (and enable its violation by their bribers and arse-lickers) under the garb of governance...corrupt and unnecessary 'governance', the worst of it being in Marxism! Only in Libertarianism does the common man have the true freedom (and power, given the easy access to capital) to decide how he or she (usually by co-operating with like-minded others) achieves his/her goals without violating the Natural Law...
So Bob, come out of the old political garbage and step into the fresh new world!

[Bob Armstrong]

Libertarianism is "wild west" Capitalism........just one of the variants.

The two systems:

1. Capitalism
a. Libertarianism
b. Regulated Capitalism
c. Social Democracy
d. Fascism (State-owned Capitalism)

2. Socialism
a. Democratic Socialism
b. Democratic Marxism
c. Old-style USSR Communism

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

[Dilip Panjwani]

In Capitalism, the predators with capital thrive,
In Marxism the administration arse-licking predators get glorified,
In Libertarianism, no predator can survive!

[Bob Armstrong]

[Bob Armstrong]

Democratic Marxism
(Started: 24/1/3)

Weekly Overview

Notes:

1. The “Weekly Overview” of the topic is posted for the benefit of new members who may have come in between the “Weekly Overviews”. It provides an executive summary of the issue for new viewers.
2. The Stats of participation are important to allow all to determine the extent of continuing interest. For thread originators/responders, they are important to see if the interest no longer warrants the labour. Or alternatively, they show that those of us discussing it are drawing in more participants, because they have begun to see the importance of our topic

A. Statistics


1. Weekly Stats:

Week # 22 of 2024 (5/27 – 6/2 [7 days])

(Sometimes Adjusted for no. of days)


.....................................................2024 Average
Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day
Views/Day........Views/Day.............(22 wks.)

….…18...................27.......................26


................................................2024 Average

Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day

Responses/Day....Resp./Day.......(22 wks.).

........1......................2.......................2


2. Analysis of Last Week's Stats

Last week's stats lag behind those of the prior week and of 2024 so far. Not surprising since for a new topic/thread there is often an up-front flurry of activity, 'til things settle in at a slower, normal pace.

More discussion/increased participation does happen when a current controversial issue is brought into the thread. The thread does involve discussion of current political affairs from the different perspectives of the various participants, so “current” issues do arise.

Fundamentally, though, this thread is an “educational” thread about something that may not be that attractive to some CT'ers. Nonetheless, the stats for this thread (Per day: Views – 27; Responses - 2) are good, and not that far below many other active threads in the Non-chess forum.

The stats do show that CT'ers are interested in learning more about DM, and about government from the DM perspective. This thread is an opportunity to learn something about the political system known as “Democratic Marxism”! It is also an opportunity to question DM in a good and safe forum, where we try to respect the right of all CT'ers to have their own analysis, and to be entitled to put it forward for consideration, even if differing from DM.

Note: I, as originator/main poster, am now just posting 1 DM discussion paper per week, near the start of the week. But I do try to respond to response questions, and introduce new “current” topics when they seem appropriate. So, overall, it is expected that the stats will slowly come down, compared to the beginning phase of this thread.


B. Goal of this Thread

• To make clear what Democratic Marxism is, and what it is not (Old-style USSR Communism)
• To provide materials that help CT'ers analyze the pluses and minuses of DM.

Additional Notes:

1. The goal of this thread is not to try to beat opposing views into oblivion. Political economy spans the spectrum. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide among the many competing political philosophies.

2. CT'ers are welcome to post responses here regularly, in addition to our core group of very active responders.



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[Dilip Panjwani]

Libertarianism puts a worker in an EQUAL position while negotiating his/her contract with a company!

[Pargat Perrer]

Perpetuating the workers' dependency on handouts (transforming the honorable task of working for a decent living into an entitlements race).

LOL

Ask yourself, Dilip, why are WORKERS having to depend on handouts?

Because the companies they work for do not pay enough for them to cover THEIR LIVING COSTS. A decent living? How about just a living PERIOD?

Not the fault of the workers. The fault of the Ayn Rand disciples.

[Dilip Panjwani]

[B]

Question to Dilip: If not World Autocracy, what harm do these "forces at work" wreak, or intend to wreak, on the worker?

Bob A (Anti-New World Order/Anti-Great Reset)

Perpetuating the workers' dependency on handouts (transforming the honorable task of working for a decent living into an entitlements race).

[Bob Armstrong]

CT Survey on Depopulation/Autocracy Allegation (Re Dilip's Post # 353 [Immediately above] - 24/6/1)

Conspiracy Statement # 1:

1.Forces are at work now (The initial suspects are the Oligarchs of the world) to depopulate the planet, with the goal of establishing a World Autocracy.

Dilip: "Suffice to say that the corrupt alliance of oligarchs and politicians/bureaucrats has always and will always harm the common man (the 'worker' in Bob's terminology)."

Assessment:

a. Seems to me Dilip is agreeing that there are "forces at work", and that among them are the "oligarchs".
b. Dilip agrees that these forces "has always and will always harm the common man". It seems to me, that he implies he is agreeing with the harm proposed in the Statement # 1: a World Autocracy. I say this because he does not explicitly reject the proposed harm in the statement, nor does he cite any alternative harm details.

However, I did not read his response carefully enough, and he clearly did not respond at all re Statements # 2 - # 4. Sorry about that Dilip.

Question to Dilip: If not World Autocracy, what harm do these "forces at work" wreak, or intend to wreak, on the worker?

Bob A (Anti-New World Order/Anti-Great Reset)

[Dilip Panjwani]

ChessTalk Survey - CT.Dem. Marxism Thread

Depopulation/Autocracy

Post # 343 (24/5/24)
Deadline: Tues., 24/5/28

Result

Of the average viewers of this thread per day (27), only 1, Dilip Panjwani, held that the statements were all true. No one, other than Dilip, even believed that one of the four statements was true.

Consequence

This allegation still remains a "Conspiracy Theory" only.

Bob A (Anti-New World Order/Anti-Great Reset)

Are you on psychedelic drugs, or what, Bob? I never said anything about the statements being true or not. And neither has anybody else. Stop imagining and reaching conclusions without any factual basis, Bob.

[Bob Armstrong]

ChessTalk Survey - CT.Dem. Marxism Thread

Depopulation/Autocracy

Post # 343 (24/5/24)
Deadline: Tues., 24/5/28

Result

Of the average viewers of this thread per day (27), only 1, Dilip Panjwani, held that the statements were all true. No one, other than Dilip, even believed that one of the four statements was true.

Consequence

This allegation still remains a "Conspiracy Theory" only.

Bob A (Anti-New World Order/Anti-Great Reset)

[Bob Armstrong]

Libertarianism

Americas - USA

"What are America’s Libertarians for?

They are grappling with whether to go for national influence or local wins"

https://www.economist.com/united-sta...utm_id=1884933

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

[Bob Armstrong]

Democratic Marxism
(Started: 24/1/3)

Weekly Overview

Notes:
1. The “Weekly Overview” of the topic is posted for the benefit of new members who may have come in between the “Weekly Overviews”. It provides an executive summary of the issue for new viewers.

2. The Stats of participation are important to allow all to determine the extent of continuing interest. For thread originators/responders, they are important to see if the interest no longer warrants the labour. Or alternatively, they show that those of us discussing it are drawing in more participants, because they have begun to see the importance of our topic





A. Statistics

1. Weekly Stats:

Week # 21 of 2024 (5/20- 26 [7 days])

(Sometimes Adjusted for no. of days)


.....................................................2024 Average
Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day
Views/Day........Views/Day.............(21 wks.)

….…27...................16.......................27


................................................2024 Average

Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day

Responses/Day....Resp./Day.......(21 wks.).

........2......................1.......................2


2. Analysis of Last Week's Stats

Last week's stats are right on those of 2024 so far. A bit surprising since for a new topic/thread there is often an up-front flurry of activity, 'til things settle in at a slower, normal pace.

More discussion/increased participation does happen when a current controversial issue is brought into the thread. The thread does involve discussion of current political affairs from the different perspectives of the various participants, so “current” issues do arise.

Fundamentally, though, this thread is an “educational” thread about something that may not be that attractive to some CT'ers. Nonetheless, the stats for this thread (Per day: Views – 27; Responses - 2) are good, and not that far below many other active threads in the Non-chess forum.

The stats do show that CT'ers are interested in learning more about DM, and about government from the DM perspective. This thread is an opportunity to learn something about the political system known as “Democratic Marxism”! It is also an opportunity to question DM in a good and safe forum, where we try to respect the right of all CT'ers to have their own analysis, and to be entitled to put it forward for consideration, even if differing from DM.

Note: I, as originator/main poster, am now just posting 1 DM discussion paper per week, near the start of the week. But I do try to respond to response questions, and introduce new “current” topics when they seem appropriate. So, overall, it is expected that the stats will slowly come down, compared to the beginning phase of this thread.


B. Goal of this Thread

• To make clear what Democratic Marxism is, and what it is not (Old-style USSR Communism)
• To provide materials that help CT'ers analyze the pluses and minuses of DM.

Additional Notes:

1. The goal of this thread is not to try to beat opposing views into oblivion. Political economy spans the spectrum. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide among the many competing political philosophies.

2. CT'ers are welcome to post responses here regularly, in addition to our core group of very active responders.



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