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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    All the babble from the so called "scientists" won't change much, if anything.
    Yeah, folks. Nothing that scientists learn is very important. Scientists, for instance, had nothing to do with the computers that have revolutionized your daily lives and made posting on this forum, indeed it's very existence, possible.

    Scientists had nothing to do with the invention of liquid crystals, which make the little characters appear on my screen as I write this. Nor lasers. Einstein did not explain the existence of the photoelectric effect nor write the equations on which it is based, thus making the laser possible.

    Nope, scientists had nothing to do with these, or any of the other things we see all around us. We cannot, for instance, send a probe to mars or the moon because the scientists all failed to develop the equations by which we can do so.

    These were actually all invented by Gary Ruben, who is ever so much smarter than I since he said so himself!

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      In case you missed this one:

      Click Here!
      Last edited by Gary Ruben; Monday, 19th April, 2010, 11:59 PM.
      Gary Ruben
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        Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
        In case you missed this one:

        Click Here!
        At last some news from a fair and balanced source which has a viewership several times that of the left wing news outlets like CNN or MSNBC aka the Al Gore Networks.

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          Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
          So, what has this to do whether men can and do now cause both forest fires and climate change? Why nothing at all, that's what.
          The assumption that men cause climate change has no validity since nature can cause 100 times higher effect on climate. Analyze the rise in magma temperature over last 150 years and you will realize that men can do nothing as far as climate is concern.
          A computer beat me in chess, but it was no match when it came to kickboxing

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            Originally posted by Ernest Klubis View Post
            The assumption that men cause climate change has no validity since nature can cause 100 times higher effect on climate. Analyze the rise in magma temperature over last 150 years and you will realize that men can do nothing as far as climate is concern.
            Well, Ernest, unless you yourself are an actual scientist with actual published papers in peer reviewed journals, I am afraid that when it comes to choosing between you and those actual scientists, I'm going with them.

            I note in passing that, as usual with the deniers, you supply not one shred of evidence in favour of your claims. I expect that this is because you have no such evidence to present.

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              Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
              At last some news from a fair and balanced source ...
              Are you joking. :)

              I would think they are providing a point of view to a specific readership. That's the same the other outlets do to for their own readers.

              I, on the other hand, am seeking the truth. :)
              Gary Ruben
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                Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
                I note in passing that, as usual with the deniers, you supply not one shred of evidence in favour of your claims. I expect that this is because you have no such evidence to present.
                Here the evidence, not from me but from Roy W. Spencer Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

                The current frenzy over global warming has galvanized the public and cost taxpayers billons of dollars in federal expenditures for climate research. It has spawned Hollywood blockbusters and inspired major political movements. It has given a higher calling to celebrities and built a lucrative industry for scores of eager scientists. In short, ending climate change has become a national crusade.
                And yet, despite this dominant and sprawling campaign, the facts behind global warming remain as confounding as ever.

                In Climate Confusion, distinguished climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer observes that our obsession with global warming has only clouded the issue. Forsaking blindingly technical statistics and doomsday scenarios, Dr. Spencer explains in simple terms how the climate system really works, why man's role in global warming is more myth than science, and how the global warming hype has corrupted Washington and the scientific community.

                The reasons, Spencer explains, are numerous: biases in governmental funding of scientific research, our misconceptions about science and basic economics, even our religious beliefs and worldviews. From Al Gore to Leonardo DiCaprio, the climate change industry has given a platform to leading figures from all walks of life, as pandering politicians, demagogues and biased scientists forge a self-interested movement whose proposed policy initiatives could ultimately devastate the economies of those developing countries they purport to aid.

                Climate Confusion is a much needed wake up call for all of us on planet earth. Dr. Spencer's clear-eyed approach, combined with his sharp wit and intellect, brings transparency and levity to the issue of global warming as he takes on wrong-headed attitudes and misguided beliefs that have led to our state of panic. Climate Confusion lifts the shroud of mystery that has hovered here for far too long and offers an end to this frenzy of misinformation in our lives.

                Climate Confusion: How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to Bad Science, Pandering Politicians and Misguided Policies that Hurt the Poor.
                A computer beat me in chess, but it was no match when it came to kickboxing

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                  Thank you Ernest for your post on Dr. Roy Spencer.

                  I googled him and found his website. It is

                  http://www.drroyspencer.com/

                  He appears to have some credentials and has written a book. The book will no doubt be referenced often by climate change deniers. His premise is that global warming is caused by natural forces and that climate scientists en masse have not grasped this concept.:o This seems somewhat difficult to believe, but who would have thought US housing prices could drop?

                  Hopefully he is right, the world is saved, and we can all go back to sleep! :) But let's wait for the "peer review" of his book, shall we.....:D

                  Hopefully the debate will improve now since the Deniers may now have a more credible source to rely upon. Quotes from Fox news were just way to easy to refute.:D

                  Vlad, the book is just $ 14.37 at Amazon. Enjoy.
                  Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Wednesday, 21st April, 2010, 10:38 AM.

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                    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                    Hopefully the debate will improve now since the Deniers may now have a more credible source to rely upon. Quotes from Fox news were just way to easy to refute.:D

                    Vlad, the book is just $ 14.37 at Amazon. Enjoy.
                    Hey Bob, I like that. I think what you call a refutation is in your dreams. Kind of like finding a refutation to your opponents pet line and then having him bust your refuation over the board.

                    More priceless is the book you suggest he buy so some writer can make money. Why don't you buy him the book if you want him to read it?

                    Do you know what I did? After reading the passion with which Paul wrote about solar panels, I bought some stock in a company. A large worldwide company which makes solar panels in Europe and is starting a division in Canada for the FIT program. I think it's somewhere in your part of the province.

                    So what happens? The volcano explodes and all that volcanic ash falls on those solar panels which are installed. How could I have misjudged so badly? What to do? So I bought shares of a small Brewing company, also in your part of the province. I don't drink beer so have no idea what it tastes like.
                    Gary Ruben
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                      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                      Why don't you buy him the book if you want him to read it?
                      LOL Now you expect me to help finance the Climate Change Deniers? :p

                      Maybe some big oil company can buy Vlad a copy!:D

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                        Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                        LOL Now you expect me to help finance the Climate Change Deniers? :p

                        Maybe some big oil company can buy Vlad a copy!:D
                        Why not? I have to finance the advocates.

                        You realize the U.S. will continue to buy the tar sands oil?

                        I'd imagine after the next Ontario election there will be a new government and some of the current programs will be dropped.
                        Gary Ruben
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                          Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                          Do you know what I did? After reading the passion with which Paul wrote about solar panels, I bought some stock in a company. A large worldwide company which makes solar panels in Europe and is starting a division in Canada for the FIT program. I think it's somewhere in your part of the province.

                          So what happens? The volcano explodes and all that volcanic ash falls on those solar panels which are installed. How could I have misjudged so badly? What to do? So I bought shares of a small Brewing company, also in your part of the province. I don't drink beer so have no idea what it tastes like.
                          Gary, as soon as the volcano exploded, you should have been on a flight to Europe to investigate the solar panels firsthand. Just think, you could be posting from the terminal at Heathrow right now! :D
                          Only the rushing is heard...
                          Onward flies the bird.

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                            Originally posted by Ernest Klubis View Post
                            Here the evidence, not from me but from Roy W. Spencer Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
                            And who doesn't believe in evolution! Yeah, that's some credible source you got there Ernest!

                            Tell me, do you also believe that evolution is wrong?

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                              Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
                              And who doesn't believe in evolution! Yeah, that's some credible source you got there Ernest!

                              Tell me, do you also believe that evolution is wrong?
                              I fail to see what his views on evolution have to do with his analysis of climate change.

                              Are you saying that somehow his analysis skills are somehow diminished because his views (on a completely unrelated topic) are different than yours?

                              I looked all over that webpage and must have missed the banner saying "Evolution is a crock too" - can you point to the section where his views on evolution are outlined?
                              ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                                From linked article...

                                "Many of the new problems produced by human-induced global warming worsen each other. Trying to keep track of the interconnectedness is a little like trying to play -- or even imagine -- 7-dimensional chess."

                                http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Weekend/st...7371405&page=1

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