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  • #61
    Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    About the only thing a voter can do is keep changing government until one comes along which gets it right.
    Or one could actually get involved with a party and try to change it to be more like what one wants it to be. But that would require effort, I suppose, and we want good government to be handed to us for free.

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    • #62
      Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

      Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
      Or one could actually get involved with a party and try to change it to be more like what one wants it to be. But that would require effort, I suppose, and we want good government to be handed to us for free.
      We pay taxes for that. If you think political hacks are anything more than a convenience, usually unpaid, for some party for a short time in their history then I leave you with the thought. Even many politicians eventually look in the mirror, see the grey and the lines, wonder why they bothered and get out.

      I've never joined a political party and I never will. NO politician can count of my vote or support. If a politicial party has done enough to be re-elected I vote for them. That's how I decide.

      I leave you with another great piece on the climate change boondoggle. You won't want to be missing this.

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583711,00.html
      Gary Ruben
      CC - IA and SIM

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      • #63
        Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

        Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post

        Reasonable people know that "the left" is no more monolithic than "the right". So picking on one allegedly "left wing" web site and generalizing to everyone else who disagrees with you is rather laughable to them, I imagine.
        You're the one who posted that piece. I asked you how you proposed to devalue our currency and you posted that in the response.

        Are you retracting?
        Gary Ruben
        CC - IA and SIM

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        • #64
          Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

          Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
          We pay taxes for that.
          If so, why bother with all this "democracy" kafufl?

          Sorry, given your past performance I will only look at Fox news links if you personally and specifically ask me to. And if you do specifically ask me I will do the research and give you my results. I assume that anything by Fox is false unless proven otherwise, but am willing to take a look at it if you personally ask me to, as a favour to you.

          However, if you wished to, you could take a look at this link.

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          • #65
            Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

            Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
            Sorry, given your past performance I will only look at Fox news links if you personally and specifically ask me to. And if you do specifically ask me I will do the research and give you my results. I assume that anything by Fox is false unless proven otherwise, but am willing to take a look at it if you personally ask me to, as a favour to you.
            So they say. In any case here's another one. See. Anyone can play this game.

            http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6999051.ece

            You already did the research. That priceless site you linked on monetary policy says it all. Are you a member?
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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            • #66
              Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
              In any case here's another one. See. Anyone can play this game.

              http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6999051.ece
              I can't see anything on that site that wasn't already on the link I gave you the other day at http://www.skepticalscience.com/IPCC...-glaciers.html

              Nothing in this changes the facts about global warming. The measurements for 2009 are now in and it was the second warmest year on record, globally. The decade 1999-2009 was the warmest decade on record.

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              • #67
                Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                You already did the research. That priceless site you linked on monetary policy says it all. Are you a member?
                I think you need to take a bit of time to calm down and stop hyperventilating. You are starting to ramble and becoming incoherent and difficult to decipher.

                I didn't reference any site on monetary policy, I referenced a blog entry in an economics site, the "Progressive Economics Forum", which is about economics in general and run by well qualified people.

                Although I suppose anyone associated with a Union must, I suppose, be therefore automatically wrong so far as you are concerned.

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                • #68
                  Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                  Hi Paul,

                  Any comment on this one?

                  http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...-says-insider/
                  Gary Ruben
                  CC - IA and SIM

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                  • #69
                    Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                    Hello Gary,

                    I started graduate school at U of Ottawa to study climate change in more detail and formally. Your link to Fox news is really irrelevant, why should the IPCC guy resign.

                    Go to a university library and get the text on the IPCC 2007 Climate Change Physical Science basis and start reading it (or do it online) like I presently am. The book is almost 1000 pages long. It was written by people; do you really expect that it will be 100% accurate and error free. You have no basis to criticize it, at least read the Summary for Policymakers or the technical summary which is a lot shorter and easier to read than the body.

                    You post so frequently, don"t you have anything better to do. Start reading and learn something instead of assuming that you know everything about the topic and then you can see things more clearly.

                    By the way, I also bought two books recently a) Heaven and Earth by Ian Plimer, a well known climate skeptic mining scientist from Australia and b) The Storms of our Grandchildren by James Hansen. These books are two polar extremes on climate change, and should make interesting reading. I do like to get both viewpoints.

                    Have you read a single book on climate change, or just Fox News articles. Get to the library and people will respect your new knowledge. Never too late to learn, it keeps the brain active.

                    Regards,
                    Paul

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                    • #70
                      Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                      Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                      You post so frequently, don"t you have anything better to do. Start reading and learn something instead of assuming that you know everything about the topic and then you can see things more clearly.
                      Nope. I don't have anything better to do than find the truth in climate change and chess positions.

                      For climate change it appears to be the transfer of wealth from the have nations to the have not nations. Over the next 5 years we should see how politicans who pledge billions to the worship of the climate change mantra will fare.

                      I've been told FOXNEWS is more popular than CNN and MSNBC combined by a lot. Politicians who ignore the opinions of large sections of the population lose support and votes.
                      Gary Ruben
                      CC - IA and SIM

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                      • #71
                        Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                        Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                        I've been told FOXNEWS is more popular than CNN and MSNBC combined by a lot. Politicians who ignore the opinions of large sections of the population lose support and votes.
                        Reality does not change just because a majority are out of touch with it. Nor do majority opinions change the facts.

                        If global warming is real, it is real whatever popular opinion of it may be, and if it is untrue, it is untrue no matter what the majority believes.

                        To decide what the truth is we only have the actual evidence to guide us and, like it or not, that evidence currently is that the surface of our globe is indeed warming, that the warming is largely caused by the activities of people, and that if continued it is going to cause many deaths.

                        If you want to know the truth for yourself you must examine the evidence yourself, and that evidence is not found at Fox news.

                        Paul is interested in that evidence and is actually examining it with a level of objectivity. Gary thinks it must be false and therefore only looks at evidence that support his beliefs, and ignores any that doesn't. To justify this irrational approach he cites popular opinion!

                        Currently an immensely expensive propaganda campaign is being waged to hide the facts. But the facts will not go away, and if we ignore them they will bite us, just as, for example, in Louisiana a few years back.

                        Scientists and engineers saw that disaster coming years in advance and warned about it over and over. Then when the disaster came and killed thousands of people, deaths almost entirely avoidable if the warnings had been heeded, the politicians cried "why didn't you warn us?".

                        Scientists are warning us again about global warming and it's results. We ignore them at our peril.

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                        • #72
                          Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                          Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post

                          Paul is interested in that evidence and is actually examining it with a level of objectivity. Gary thinks it must be false and therefore only looks at evidence that support his beliefs, and ignores any that doesn't. To justify this irrational approach he cites popular opinion!
                          Paul is objective about the topic like you're objective about unions.

                          Remember the old picket line song?

                          The working class can kiss my ass
                          I’ve got the foreman’s job at last.
                          The system I’ll no more resist,
                          I’m going to be a capitalist.

                          Now you can raise the standard high,
                          Beneath its shade to fight and die.
                          But brother, please don’t count on me—
                          I’ve up and joined the bourgeoisie.
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                          • #73
                            Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                            Another boring personal attack. Gary's posts are getting less and less interesting.

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                            • #74
                              Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                              Well, you do insist on feeding the troll!
                              Fred Harvey

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                              • #75
                                Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

                                I'm waiting a few days to decide on more or less cooling this winter. The ultimate climate predictor, Punxsutawney Phil, will be waking up and coming out of his hole to tell us if there will be a regular or shorter winter.

                                I used to put my faith in Wiarton Willie. However, as luck would have it, I'm not ever certain if I'm spelling Whiarton correctly.

                                If Fred reads this and once again boos me, (I'm sure he also boos little old ladies and calls them trolls), hopefully he will give the correct spelling for Wireton Willy.

                                Note to Ed: Some guys really did sing that on our picket line. Sixteen weeks it lasted that time.
                                Gary Ruben
                                CC - IA and SIM

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