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  • #16
    Re: Ontario Open 2011

    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    Obviously the prize fund would be much less with only 70 players. But then this is not one of our regular semi annual events, this is the Ontario Open.
    I know the sales pitch. How much will the prize fund be with 70 paid entrants?
    Gary Ruben
    CC - IA and SIM

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    • #17
      Re: Ontario Open 2011

      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
      I know the sales pitch. How much will the prize fund be with 70 paid entrants?
      I knew that answer wouldn't be satisfactory. :(
      If only 70 entries, prize fund estimate $ 2,500. :)

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      • #18
        Re: Ontario Open 2011

        Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
        If I read this correctly (and I am afraid there is no other way to read it) GMs and titled players will have to beg and commit six weeks in advance to get, not appearance fees, not free accommodation, not even free meals or free entry, but a measly undisclosed discount on entry fees! And for what ? For an unguaranteed prize fund which like most unguaranteed prize funds runs a high risk of being reduced, with the most consequences affecting those titled players who have committed six weeks in advance. This is a disgrace for Canadian chess, an insult to titled players, especially for the very few GMs that we have in this country, and an excellent example of poor leadership from the CFC president.
        No, no, everybody calm down! I think Jean's post was just pure sarcasm... Was it not? :p :o

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        • #19
          Re: Ontario Open 2011

          Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
          prize fund
          How will the prize fund be distributed?


          Any accommodations for non-masters? :D

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          • #20
            Re: Ontario Open 2011

            Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
            Last year in Toronto, 126
            In 1970, there were 144 players. It was considered a Canadian record for the weekend open at that time. (Only 1968 Canadian Open had more players.)

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            • #21
              Re: Ontario Open 2011

              1972: 106.
              1973: 250.
              1974: 110. (Kingston)
              1975: 80 (North Bay).

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              • #22
                Re: Ontario Open 2011

                It seems that the number of participants is directly related to the location, which in mathematical terms,

                Number of Players is a function of the location.

                I am just wondering, Mr. President, why Hamilton is preferrred over Mississauga or Toronto.

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                • #23
                  Re: Ontario Open 2011

                  Originally posted by Erwin Casareno View Post
                  It seems that the number of participants is directly related to the location, which in mathematical terms,

                  Number of Players is a function of the location.

                  I am just wondering, Mr. President, why Hamilton is preferrred over Mississauga or Toronto.
                  According to the OCA constitution, the Ontario Open is to rotate between the various regions in Ontario each year, at least that is the way it used to be in the 90's. Since I now live in Calgary, I don't follow everything that the OCA does anymore so I could be wrong. The idea was to promote chess throughout Ontario, not just the GTA. I still think this is good chess business and that it is in the best interest of the OCA to rotate their championship each year. Just MHO.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Ontario Open 2011

                    From a posting I made last year:

                    "Fischer Boom" Ontario Opens:

                    1970 (Toronto) 144 players. $1250 in prizes. Entry fees unknown.
                    1971 (Belleville) 100 players. "over $1000 was awarded in prizes". Entry fees unknown.
                    1972 (Hamilton) 106 players. $1500 in prizes; entry fee $18.
                    1973 (Toronto) 250 players. Total prize fund was probably anout $2500. Entry fees unknown.
                    1974 (Kingston) 110 players, Entry fees $20 and $14. $500 in guaranteed prizes.
                    1975 (North Bay) 80 players. $1500 in prizes. Entry fees unknown.
                    1976 (St. Catherines) 114 players. $1500 in prizes; entry fee: $20, $10.
                    1977 (Toronto) 269 players (probably the largest one).

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                    • #25
                      Re: Ontario Open 2011

                      Recent numbers with section breakdowns. Please note the 2008 anomaly, I seem to recall that the Open was sort-of combined with the KW Octoberfest, otherwise there would have been no Open. The event is usually held on Victoria Day weekend.

                      2010 Ontario Open - Toronto - 119
                      31 open
                      45 u-2000
                      43 u-1600

                      2009 Ontario Open - EOCA - 68
                      one section

                      2008 - OCTOBER - Kitchener - 57
                      16 open
                      14 u-2000
                      15 u-1700
                      12 u-1400

                      2007 Ontario Open - North (?) - 54
                      16 open
                      36 u-1600

                      2006 Ontario Open - SWOCL (?) - 93
                      12 open
                      16 u-2200
                      20 u-2000
                      19 u-1800
                      26 u-1600

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                      • #26
                        Re: Ontario Open 2011

                        Originally posted by John Coleman View Post
                        2006 Ontario Open - SWOCL (?)
                        Should be GTCL, Richmond Hill. (more at http://web.archive.org/web/200710111...tario+Open.htm)

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                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by John Coleman View Post

                          2009 Ontario Open - EOCA - 68
                          one section
                          Hi there, just a little correction about the 2009 Ontario Open in Ottawa. Even though the rating submission makes it look like 1 section, it was actually 3 sections (6 classes) :

                          19 in Section A (11 in the Top Class, and 8 in the U2200 Class)
                          29 in Section B (14 in the U2000 Class, and 15 in the U1800 Class)
                          20 in Section C (8 in the U1600 Class, and 12 in the U1400 Class)

                          The total prize fund was $4300, and we will shatter that on the next EOCA turn! ;)

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                          • #28
                            Re: Ontario Open 2011

                            Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                            If you normally get an attendance of 70, why is the prize fund projection based on 125?
                            To attract more people and then cut the prize fund anyway, which I believe may be called deception. No business but chess treats his customers like this. Come and pay but once you are in (generally on the last day of the event) we will announce a reduced prize fund to compensate for our faulty forecasts and ineffective promotion of our event Thank you and we hope to see you next time. It is beyond me that people who think about themselves as honourable and honest people can do things like that. It is beyond my understanding that people who think of themselves as responsible people and responsible organizers can actually unload the financial responsibilities of their events on the players shoulders, not on those who haven't shown up, but on those who have actually come and paid the full price, as if they they were the ones responsible for their failures.
                            Last edited by Jean Hébert; Wednesday, 5th January, 2011, 11:41 PM.

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                            • #29
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                              Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
                              This seems a tad harsh n'est-ce pas?
                              Kerry,
                              I wish you were right but no, not harsh at all. Some things have been going on for so long that they are now seen as "normal". If we had a young super GM in our backyard, say a Carlsen or Karjakin, or a mature Shirov or Gelfand, would you really have the "courage" to offer them discounts on entry fees ??? Wouldn't you feel deeply embarassed and ashamed to come up with something like that ? In Ontario, the Gillanders and Cie are not ashamed at all to offer discounts to IM and GMs and an unguaranteed prize fund almost certain to be butchered, in exchange for commitment! And you say that I am harsh ?

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                              • #30
                                Re: Ontario Open 2011

                                Don't ascribe malice where simple incompetence suffices.

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