THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

[Bob Armstrong]

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Greek heat wave closes Acropolis early, temperature hits 42 C.

Sorry, but I think climate change is changing our weather forever. Records for all types of " weather " are being broken year after year - extremes are becoming the norm. Hard not to search for a common cause - and I don't think it is the devil!

Bob A

[Gary Ruben]

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Gary, how much will this disaster cost if 50% of the U.S. crop (not just corn) is wiped out this year?

I can only shake my head and tell you guys that I told you so.

I have no idea. I was reading they planted a large corn crop this year. Probably they might have to stop adding food to fuel for us to burn in our automobiles.

I've also heard the crop in Western Canada is doing well. We should have extra to sell to the U.S., but I don't suppose it will be inexpensive.

I guess the price of wheat, corn, livestock feed, etc., Up she goes!

Why are you only worried about how much the "disaster will cost"? Are we talking money here or a lack of ability to feed the population?

[Paul Beckwith]

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Caution to Vlad, opening this link is liable to cause a severe reaction...
http://www.treehugger.com/environmen...-evidence.html
Yes, that is me...my poster...and my globe, mine, all mine...

Any guesses as to food prices later in the year?
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/07...-over-america/

Gary, how much will this disaster cost if 50% of the U.S. crop (not just corn) is wiped out this year?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...150130308.html

I can only shake my head and tell you guys that I told you so.

[Gary Ruben]

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I looked at things like how the crowd is dressed. They seem to be wearing a lot of clothes for a typical summer global warming day.

[Paul Beckwith]

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A busy day on Parliament Hill...

My globe from Utah with extra continents
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...80502094_n.jpg

My poster...
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...57785444_o.jpg

Getting pretty warm...
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...81134205_o.jpg

Dark and dire...
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...86699986_n.jpg


After the protest
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...18982405_n.jpg

Another after shot
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...01964984_o.jpg

Almost 4000 likes, 10,000 shares already (going viral); note my globe from Utah
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...82946850_n.jpg

A great TED talk; understand climate change in 15 minutes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=A7ktYbVwr90

[Gary Ruben]

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Probably your worries will be over. They found the Higgs Boson.

I think linking the current weather to climate change is somewhat of a stretch. Feeding the population was always going to be a challenge. However, the fertilizers will help to increase the yield per acre. I know you're worried about crops in the area you spotlight but weather and crops have always been a problem. That's why I don't buy stocks tied to crops. Don't want to have to worry about crops. Even sugar. It's pretty much a duopoly in Canada. Still, I don't want to worry about the sugar beet crop. I kind of miss that one. Sugar is one sweet business.

I don't vote libertarian so don't much care what happens. The voters can straighten that out next time if they don't like the results.

Regarding oil, if you think a pipeline won't be built to the ocean you might simply be dreaming. I think that's coming so we can get world prices for our oil and natural gas. I know the Americans don't want to see a pipeline because it will leave less for them when the time comes they need it. However, in my view, our government will not continue to lose revenue because our product is discounted.

One of my auto signatures called the U.S. election, in my opinion. However, I think once the election is over one of the first things Obama will do is approve the new pipeline.

[Paul Beckwith]

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I just love this article...sick and tired of political stupidity and corporate (oil) control of politicians and brainwashing of the public and attacks on science, expecially climatologists...

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/edito...ctly-good-hair

From the link: "I laughed when I read Monday about voters in a U.S. city named Colorado Springs, which cut sales taxes and rejected a property tax hike. When the wildfires came, they had a straitened ability to fight them. The city, home of the notorious hard-right Focus on the Family and the Taxpayer Bill of Rights and highly libertarian in voting patterns, as Reuters reports, now looks like your campsite firepit the morning after you roasted all your wieners. They’re begging for federal money to rebuild."

As I have been saying on this thread for years (admit that I told you so), dumb-ass humans are trashing the planet; climate change has completely destabilized our weather. Now starting the consequences stage, and it ain't pretty. Wait until the fall when food prices double due to massive crop failure in the U.S.

I have a solution, but humanity does not deserve it at the moment.

Look on the bright side. It is great that this destabilization is happening now. As bad as the consequences will be, they would be a lot worse if they happened in mid- to late-century with a global population of 9 or 10 billion (at least we are only at 7)...

[Gary Ruben]

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Here's a bit more I was reading on nuclear energy this morning.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/23/47745.htm

[Tom O'Donnell]

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Evil oil empire? Care to estimate what percentage of the things you own didn't come in to your possession thanks to oil? If oil is so evil why does everyone (including you) use so much of it?

[Paul Beckwith]

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I like a challenge. The climatologists (white) versus the evil oil empire and their cabal of climate change deniers (black). White will triumph...just a matter of time...

[Gary Ruben]

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Your sentence is too general. There were satellites for weather (atmosphere) research back in 1960.

I seem to recall they tried to pass the U2 off as a weather research plane.

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

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The satellites for weather/climate monitoring were first launched in 1979, thus this particular data set only goes back that far.

Your sentence is too general. There were satellites for weather (atmosphere) research back in 1960.

[Paul Beckwith]

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The satellites for weather/climate monitoring were first launched in 1979, thus this particular data set only goes back that far.

In other news, another U.S. city gets hammered by extreme weather...
Duluth http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...ood-photos/#20
Two seals escaped and were found swimming down one of the main streets.

[Hugh Brodie]

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33 years is a pretty short time in history. It would be interesting seeing data from 100 and 1000 years ago - and so on back to the last Ice Age.

[Gary Ruben]

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Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand the graph.

It does look like a trend since 1979. I think we have to go with trends until they end.

We can't forget the world population has grown from roughly 4.3 billion people in 1979 to roughly 6.7 billion now.