THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

[Paul Beckwith]

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After 185,000 pages of documents, 10 hearings, and 2 sopoenas no improper behaviour has been found with Solyndra...

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/0...te+Progress%29

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Paul, no wonder the eco-freaks are engaged in a broad retreat on all fronts. You just posted the faked data as proof of the alleged misdeeds of your critics. It worked in the Stalinist Soviet Union but it doesn`t fly any more. Since you have no compunction about posting fake data when it comes to your critics there is little doubt that you are willing to post fake data to prove global warming,
and that is why you fail....

[Paul Beckwith]

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More info on denialgate...

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2012/0...te+Progress%29

[Paul Beckwith]

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Heartland has been ripped apart and totally debunked as a climate change denial front for big oil with the uncovering of their funding sources and details. This is climategate in reverse, call it denialgate...

http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-...denial-machine

[Vlad Drkulec]

No such thing as fossil fuels?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/266424

The idea that oil is a fossil fuel seems largely prevalent along with the scarcity mantra of the eco freaks. What if they are just wrong?

Russian scientists have been arguing for an abiotic and geologic process origin of fossil fuels.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Global Warming hero facing racketeering charges over forgeries?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articl...ng_631915.html

It seems the global warming crowd is growing increasingly desperate to discredit the tiny band of global warming skeptics who have brought their movement to a grinding halt. Forgery and mail fraud and violation of U.S. federal law seem to go unnoticed in the mainstream press in much the way that Solyndra and the many more horror stories in the green energy agenda are swept under the rug. I wonder if they will mention it when Gleick gets nailed with civil and criminal penalties.

Interesting that big oil seems to be funding the global warming movement/religion.

[Gary Ruben]

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Well so much for all those peak oil theories. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2343528/

I still remember the coal furnace when I was a kid. The coal man used to come around and fill up the bin. I can still recall being put in the coal bin for several hours because I threw stones at the milk mans horse. It must have worked because I didn't throw stones at his horse after that.

After that it was oil heat. Then came natural gas heat. Natural gas cost less.

I can remember working on the changeover to natural gas by large volume users in this area. I used to work on a couple a day doing my part of the change over. Some days I'd work on three not very often.

The current pricing on natural gas is out of sync with reality.

A barrel of oil has roughly 6 million BTU's and sells for around $100. a barrel.
A MCF of natural gas has 1 million BTU's and sells for around $2.60 WTIC.

At the conversion rate of 6 MCF for 1 barrel of oil you have around $16.00 equivalent of heating value. Natural gas is a huge deal in North America.

The reason doesn't really matter. What should be done, in my opinion, is the price of natural gas should be tied to oil as a percentage of the cost. There's no reason natural gas should not be selling for 7 or 8 dollars a MCF. If nothing else it might stop foreign companies with a long time frame from taking over our resource companies at low prices in the current environment.

While it might sound radical, pipeline companies don't suffer when volumes get lower due to less use. They simply raise the price of transporting the smaller volumes.

Of course there's a lot of hedging in natural gas. Even many homeowners are hedged. They lock into 2 to 5 year contracts at a fixed rate. That helps to keep the price down for the product.

[Zeljko Kitich]

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Well so much for all those peak oil theories. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2343528/

[Vlad Drkulec]

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P.S. I admire that you put a time frame on your expectation.

I guess the cold snap in Europe is just everyone's imagination....


Oh NOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I wasted my 1000th post on this thread!

[Gary Ruben]

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P.S. I admire that you put a time frame on your expectation.

[Gary Ruben]

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If the sea ice in the Arctic is following a log fit instead of an exponential fit then it could vanish this summer...call me crazy but I am basically convinced that the planet is abruptly entering a new climate state...average global temperatures could be 25 degrees Celsius within less than a decade as compared to the present value of almost 15 degrees Celsius...this would take the earth into a Cretaceous type climate state...with this type of warming global food supplies will be devastated and all hell will break loose...most of the planet will be very warm and very wet...but dry areas will be drier?...

Do you know what that will do to the value of ocean front properties. Wow!!! They won't be what they used to be.

Water expands when it warms so I suppose sea level would rise.

My boss once threatened to fire me for exciting the molecules. It was a cold day and I should have known better than to excite the molecules. It ended up costing several thousand dollars to repair. Darn molecules!!!

[Paul Beckwith]

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If the sea ice in the Arctic is following a log fit instead of an exponential fit then it could vanish this summer...call me crazy but I am basically convinced that the planet is abruptly entering a new climate state...average global temperatures could be 25 degrees Celsius within less than a decade as compared to the present value of almost 15 degrees Celsius...this would take the earth into a Cretaceous type climate state...with this type of warming global food supplies will be devastated and all hell will break loose...most of the planet will be very warm and very wet...but dry areas will be drier?...

https://sites.google.com/site/arctis...in/home/piomas

[Gary Ruben]

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Probably you'll like seeing this:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technolo...rctic-glacier/

[Paul Beckwith]

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Food in our warming world (by a friend Graham who did his Ph. D. on this topic)...

"My short email, (Very short) was a basic explanation and opinion. The long version, with sources, is a PHD thesis. Laughter. My response was a synthesis of what I know, expressed as an opinion. The use of intensive irrigation, and cheap Solar pumps, (I am amazed how much water you can pump in a day with a 50 watt micro-pump) on micro-holdings, and family food growing, plus use of plants that are already adapted to high temperatures, (rice, for instance, and other grains) plus simple fish culture, as done in
places like Bangladesh, gives us 25% or so, (very conservative estimate) of total global food production. Take a look, also, at Cuban "Organoponicos", for an example. But not enough. Very, very soon, there will not be enough.

We have all heard of the "Tree-line", now let me introduce the "Banana Line". Works the same way. But with Bananas. It's rapidly moving both North, and South, like the Tree
line boundary, and for the same reasons. But needs water, and many other things. The European "Banana line" is now in Southern Spain, but could reach the UK by 2100. Once you get past the limits of the Tropics, there are plants that can be introduced, and adapted. Sub-tropical foods will be grown here in UK, in the open, if things continue. (and there is drought adaption). The problem is the tropics, where, as you say, a thin margin exists, of temperature tolerance. The low latitude situation is much more
hopeless. A lot of people live there. Simply disastrous.

Lovelock has expressed opinions on the long term survival of the Humans, at a very low level of culture, and in micro-numbers. He is not optimistic, at all. The vast Global agri-business, is the problem. It will collapse, under the stress of climbing temperatures, population pressures, soil depletion, shortage or cost issues of fossil fuel inputs, etc etc.

The frailty of the so-called "Green Revolution" in agriculture, is well known. But the rapidly approaching food crisis is at present, unsolvable. It needs a complete change of the food system, which has to be carried out during continued conventional production, with new technologies, etc, and there will still not be enough food production increase, in time.

The great Hunger has already started. Climate change is starving about 20 million plus, right now, in the Horn of Africa, and the situation is only temporarily under control, this year. It will get a lot worse, next year. Drought.

All this against a clock-time of about 60 months, or less, depending on what happens in the Arctic. This is not a high level science paper, it's a fairly common sense recitation of the obvious, and also a personal cry of despair. It all haunts me terribly.
Graham
"

[Paul Beckwith]

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The science on climate change has never been more certain: Every national academy of science in the world, every professional scientific society, and 98 percent of climate scientists most actively publishing all agree that man made climate change is happening now and that urgent action by governments and businesses is necessary now.

However, there is a vast “disconnect” between this powerful reality on the one hand, and both public opinion and global political processes on the other. Deceptive campaigns funded by fossil fuel interests, and supported by ideologists who fear any proactive policy agenda by governments, have obfuscated the truth. Paid-for propaganda, masquerading as science, has sowed doubt in the public’s mind, just as the tobacco industry sowed doubt about the science linking cigarettes to lung disease a half-century ago.

New link to my latest talk to meteorologists, climatologists (a Nobel prize winner was there!)...
http://www.cmos.ca/Ottawa/ottawapastspeakers.html

Two more talks coming up soon in Ottawa in early March, one layperson public talk and one scientific talk at Carleton U.

Working on a geoengineering proposal to cool the Arctic, should have talk ready in a few weeks...