THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

[Gary Ruben]

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Here's something on liquid natural gas in B.C. Thought someone might be interested.

I worked with natural gas for decades. Regarding liquid natural gas, I would not work with that. There is no amount of money which would entice me.

I did enjoy driving a natural gas vehicle.

Click Here...

[Gary Ruben]

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David Suzuki #1!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Suzuki

Seeing how you're using articles which harp on internment, here's one which gives and idea of the scope of what was done in Canada. It's offered without comment.

Click Here...

[Garvin Nunes]

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David Suzuki #1!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Suzuki

[Felix Dumont]

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One of the comments resume everything :

By Brian Cabaniss (Roanoke, VA 24018)
on February 2nd, 2012
That’s purty, but it’s just a scam by them peoples up thar in lab coats that want me to buy them curly light bulbs and make me git one of dem pick-up trucks that you gotta plug in. I betcha they’re the same ones tryin’ to tell me the Earth is older than 6000 years old. I aint fallin’ for it.

:D

[Paul Beckwith]

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It is indeed happening Vlad; I am now convinced. Stay tuned for press coverage...

A great movie on the warming earth over the last 130 years or so in 26 seconds...
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/...in-26-seconds/

[Bob Gillanders]

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Bloody weather!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ72fcHDUC8

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Vlad, what about tornados, tsunamis, and floods that will destroy the farmland?

Global warming is likely to lead to fewer tornados and not more. Tsunamis are caused by earthquakes which have nothing to do with global warming. What farmland are you talking about in specific? Flood plains often are the most fertile lands.

[Bob Gillanders]

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"As climate extremes increase the world food supply will decrease."
Does not follow nor does it make sense. If temperatures go up there will be more growing season and more food.

Vlad, what about tornados, tsunamis, and floods that will destroy the farmland?

[Vlad Drkulec]

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"If this is indeed happening..."

Exactly.

"As climate extremes increase the world food supply will decrease."

Does not follow nor does it make sense. If temperatures go up there will be more growing season and more food.

"food is the likely weakest point that will be affected the most."

If we can get the environmentalists and their political lapdogs to quit supporting ethanol that diverts so much food so wastefully then food would not be a problem at least for a while. The food supply is increasing but not fast enough to keep up with the irresponsible people like Paul Beckwith who insist on unbridled reproduction and consumption for themselves and their ilk while advocating that others restrain themselves. We could take environmentalists much more seriously if they actually practiced what they preach.

[Kerry Liles]

Re: Climategate II

I am a member of the Arctic Methane Emergency Group (AMEG) and I gave a
presentation last week to CMOS (Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic
Society) last week on rapid climate change in the Arctic; the pdf of the
presentation is on this link:

http://www.arctic-methane-emergency-...ors/4559129859

pdf at bottom of link; or from home page click About and Contributers

Basic highlights/lowlights...
Chance of zero sea-ice in Arctic ocean by end of summer in 2013: 5% ---
Chance of zero sea-ice in Arctic ocean by end of summer in 2015: 50% ---
Chance of zero sea-ice in Arctic ocean by end of summer in 2018: 95%

Let us assume that this initial zero sea-ice event occurs in 2015. The
model shows that the Arctic ocean would be clear of ice for 3 months 1-2
years later, and for 5 months by 2018 or... 2019 (3 years later). By 2024
(9 years after initial event) or so, it would be clear of sea-ice year
round. Needless to say, skating on the canal in Ottawa could be replaced
by canoeing.

On the ESAS (East Siberian Arctic Shelf) emission plumes that were tens of
meters in diameter were observed several years ago, recent measurements in
the area discovered plumes that were a kilometer in diameter. Measurements
of methane at Barrow Alaska and Svalbard show a strong uptick signal in
methane concentrations.

Consider also that weather around the planet for 2010 and 2011 has been
more extreme than any other year in the instrumental record; in fact the
last most extreme weather year is thought to be that in 1816 whereby
summer was killed by the Tambora supervolcano ash.

Consider also that there was an unprecedented ozone hole over the Arctic
covering over 2 million square kilometers in early 2011.

I can tie all these events together, and give a strong case that the
planet is now undergoing abrupt climate change. If this is indeed
happening the societal implications are simply enormous; as climate
extremes increase the world food supply will decrease; food is the likely
weakest point that will be affected the most.

Thanks for the link... must have been a long lunch if you got through all those slides!

[Paul Beckwith]

Re: Climategate II

I am a member of the Arctic Methane Emergency Group (AMEG) and I gave a
presentation last week to CMOS (Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic
Society) last week on rapid climate change in the Arctic; the pdf of the
presentation is on this link:

http://www.arctic-methane-emergency-...ors/4559129859

pdf at bottom of link; or from home page click About and Contributers

Basic highlights/lowlights...
Chance of zero sea-ice in Arctic ocean by end of summer in 2013: 5% ---
Chance of zero sea-ice in Arctic ocean by end of summer in 2015: 50% ---
Chance of zero sea-ice in Arctic ocean by end of summer in 2018: 95%

Let us assume that this initial zero sea-ice event occurs in 2015. The
model shows that the Arctic ocean would be clear of ice for 3 months 1-2
years later, and for 5 months by 2018 or... 2019 (3 years later). By 2024
(9 years after initial event) or so, it would be clear of sea-ice year
round. Needless to say, skating on the canal in Ottawa could be replaced
by canoeing.

On the ESAS (East Siberian Arctic Shelf) emission plumes that were tens of
meters in diameter were observed several years ago, recent measurements in
the area discovered plumes that were a kilometer in diameter. Measurements
of methane at Barrow Alaska and Svalbard show a strong uptick signal in
methane concentrations.

Consider also that weather around the planet for 2010 and 2011 has been
more extreme than any other year in the instrumental record; in fact the
last most extreme weather year is thought to be that in 1816 whereby
summer was killed by the Tambora supervolcano ash.

Consider also that there was an unprecedented ozone hole over the Arctic
covering over 2 million square kilometers in early 2011.

I can tie all these events together, and give a strong case that the
planet is now undergoing abrupt climate change. If this is indeed
happening the societal implications are simply enormous; as climate
extremes increase the world food supply will decrease; food is the likely
weakest point that will be affected the most.

[Paul Beckwith]

Re: Climategate II



Remember when Vlad and others were claiming that sea ice was recovering after 2007; obviously they were completely wrong, as they are with anything they say on climate change; sickening denial, denial, denial...

[Vlad Drkulec]

Climategate II

One of our fellow chesstalkers sent me an interesting article on Climategate II with the release of many more emails from that goofy band of misfits that brought you the IPCC report and the flawed science of global warming. The new release of emails occurred relatively recently without much fanfare from the mainstream media. The original Climategate which took a long time to register in the mainstream media was probably the pivotal moment in derailing the climate change juggernaut when the first batch of climategate emails were released. Apparently there is a lot of material for Climategate III, IV, V and VI but the whole global warming / climate change movement seems to have lost much of its relevance as a political force. The whitewashes notwithstanding they never regained the momentum that they had before those original emails were released.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articl...ii_610926.html

[Paul Beckwith]

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Sea ice in the Arctic is now projected to be gone perhaps as early as 2015; lots of information and plots on the following link...

The planet is in the throes of abrupt climate change, and still the deniers deny, pathetic people...

http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2011/...gust-2011.html

[Vlad Drkulec]

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The Motley Fool which is an well known investment advisor newsletter sent out an email which starts:

Have You Been Tricked by the Green Energy Hype? If NOT...
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The sorry truth is... despite an exhaustive search, alternative energy has been a BIG disappointment for taxpayers and for investors.

There is a slideshow which continues on in that vein.