THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

[Vlad Drkulec]

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True, but surely the ever-adaptable human race will work hard to find better, safer, and more efficient ways to use this energy source. :)

I think that they already have found "better, safer, and more efficient ways" but the idea of nuclear power summons up a great deal of opposition that many politicians would prefer to avoid dealing with.

[Paul Beckwith]

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The ever-adaptable human race can adapt when the rate of the changes is within limits; not so clear when the rates are too abrupt. To think otherwise is likely vanity...

[Peter McKillop]

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It is the decommissioning costs which are worrisome and the fact that they tend to fall apart quicker than one might hope they would after spending billions to build them.

True, but surely the ever-adaptable human race will work hard to find better, safer, and more efficient ways to use this energy source. :)

[Gary Ruben]

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I wonder if Gary still thinks that this is a "normal" March. How about Vlad? Is anyone wondering what this means for the summer temperatures? Or food production?

In a post a few above this we discussed the temperature in March 2000. Drawing long term conclusions based on short term weather is not an exact science.

[Zeljko Kitich]

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I wonder if Gary still thinks that this is a "normal" March. How about Vlad? Is anyone wondering what this means for the summer temperatures? Or food production?

Even climate researchers admit that anyone using the weather factors this unscientific way is not quite right.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/...rticle2355759/

[Paul Beckwith]

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I wonder if Gary still thinks that this is a "normal" March. How about Vlad? Is anyone wondering what this means for the summer temperatures? Or food production?

[Vlad Drkulec]

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And let's not forget nuclear energy....talk about a virtually inexhaustible energy source.

It is the decommissioning costs which are worrisome and the fact that they tend to fall apart quicker than one might hope they would after spending billions to build them.

[Gary Ruben]

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March 12th today, looks like winter is over...

Forecasts Monday Mar 12th to Saturday March 17th
High (Low)

Ottawa 11(4), 12(2), 9(0), 14(5), 13(6), 14(6) Normal is 2(-7)
Vancouver 6(2), 5(2), 6(4), 7(5), 7(3), 7(1) Normal is 10(3)
Montreal 11(4), 11(3), 7(1), 11(4), 13(6), 14(7) Normal is 2(-6)
Toronto 12(9), 14(2), 14(5), 17(11), 18(10), 15(9) Normal is 4(-5)
Winnipeg 6(-2), 11(4), 11(-1), 13(2), 17(8), 22(13) Normal is -1(-11)

Ottawa will be warmer than Southern California later this week...

Add your highs, lows, normals from where you live...

Winter is normally beat by the third week in Feb. in these parts. The average daytime temp starts to get higher.

The upside of the warmer temperatures is less fuel is burned to heat homes.

You haven't given an opinion on the robocall issue. Here in the provincai election the robocalls were merciless, although they had nothing to do with tying to fool me about where to vote. Only to promote the candidate. It was all hours of the day. I don't recall getting any during the federal election. I like to nap and the automated calls woke me up.

Problems voting is kind of built in. They have used the same spot for at least 30 years. It has 3 polls. It wasn't bad when I was younger but now the long walk during the day is a problem. The school parking lot is filled up during the day so it's a long walk. In the evening after dinner I like to watch TV and read. I understand the turnout there is not very high. There's a community center with lots of parking closer than the school so it's not like they can't do better for the voters. They simply don't want to do better.

[Paul Beckwith]

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A very informative TED talk by Hansen on recent history of his work in climate change, excellent learning information...

http://climateforce.net/2012/03/09/j...limate-change/

[Gary Ruben]

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The end of outdoor hockey in Canada?

Outdoor ice hockey mostly ended when they built indoor arenas. Now the leagues and other events are held indoors. It's a big money sport.

When was the last time you saw outdoor curling with decent rocks?

I notice the U.S. still has their tornadoes. Those things will get a person chasing his rooftop solar panels down the road. :)

[Paul Beckwith]

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March 12th today, looks like winter is over...

Forecasts Monday Mar 12th to Saturday March 17th
High (Low)

Ottawa 11(4), 12(2), 9(0), 14(5), 13(6), 14(6) Normal is 2(-7)
Vancouver 6(2), 5(2), 6(4), 7(5), 7(3), 7(1) Normal is 10(3)
Montreal 11(4), 11(3), 7(1), 11(4), 13(6), 14(7) Normal is 2(-6)
Toronto 12(9), 14(2), 14(5), 17(11), 18(10), 15(9) Normal is 4(-5)
Winnipeg 6(-2), 11(4), 11(-1), 13(2), 17(8), 22(13) Normal is -1(-11)

Ottawa will be warmer than Southern California later this week...

Add your highs, lows, normals from where you live...

[Paul Beckwith]

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The end of outdoor hockey in Canada?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...e-hockey/print

There is a link to the scientific paper; loads of information there...

[Gary Ruben]

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So the homeowners are not going to be making money. The green energy companies seem to be going bust at an alarming rate. Hydro ratepayers are getting screwed. The point of all this is to reward certain government friends with sweetheart deals.

I don't think many homeowners care. Many are locked into long term contracts at fixed rates for natural gas and electricity. Those who don't have a natural gas contract in this area are paying a lower price than many with contracts pay.

With hydro, if the price of oil stays high or goes higher, solar will likely pick back up a bit.

With natural gas, as far as I know, Union Gas and Enbridge here in Ontario are required to pass through the actual cost of the natural gas without a mark up. They make the money on the transmission. If homeowners arrange their own gas supplier they pay the contracted price PLUS the transmission charge. The latest charge for natural gas from the utility is approx. 11.8 cents a cu. meter.

Another topic is if drilling for dry gas in North America is viable in this low price environment. I don't think so.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Maybe Paul is like Schrodinger's cat; both of those things at the same time until you open the box and determine which one this time?

Indeed. What the so called climate scientists and AGW global industry don't seem to realize is that when they get caught lying again and again the great unwashed masses start tuning them out and they become irrelevant.

Disasters and disaster scenarios sell newspapers so I can understand why the mainstream media supports AGW and peak oil chicken little theories but you would think that the public at large would learn after so many false alarms over the years from the same people. The local paper prints howlers on a regular basis when writing articles on green energy policies like the time when they misplaced a decimal place to prove that solar/wind energy was viable. Oddly enough my letter to the editor pointing out the error was not printed. The author of the piece on the editorial page was the president of a local green energy company that has promised many green energy jobs.

Some of those same companies are promising returns of $200,000 as if that was a yearly income rather than revenues over a 20 year period. They are leaving the explanation of the difference between revenues and net income to the fine print and make some optimisitic assumptions about, electricity yields, maintenance and the life of the components that may severely impact the bottom line. Best case is that you get a 12 percent return if all of the optimistic and unrealistic assumptions come true. I know one family that ran the numbers and there have been other reports in the media of people who have run the numbers and come to the same conclusions.

So the homeowners are not going to be making money. The green energy companies seem to be going bust at an alarming rate. Hydro ratepayers are getting screwed. The point of all this is to reward certain government friends with sweetheart deals.

[Zeljko Kitich]

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I'm sure Paul's friends are busy forging memos to prove its true and Paul will post the results as some kind of smoking gun proof. I currently am left with a wave/particle duality when it comes to Paul. Either he is just dumb or being intentionally dishonest. Either way these two theories offer adequate explanations of his every post in this thread and others.

It was kind of cold today. I could use some global warming, man-made or otherwise. There are always people claiming that we are on the verge of some disaster or another. Peak oil, AGW, AGC, the Club of Rome, peak wheat. Cassandra's abound but somehow we keep muddling our way through and there is more oil today than there was the first time I argued about peak oil with someone over a decade and a half ago.

Life is good. When the oil runs out, if it ever does we will just use coal and natural gas. No Mel Gibson Mad Max scenarios are even necessary.

Maybe Paul is like Schrodinger's cat; both of those things at the same time until you open the box and determine which one this time?