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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    Now with the fracking techniques we can crack the rock and extract oil and gas. The can drill down a couple of miles vertically and then drill horizontally. They can also drill horizontally from different points of the vertical part of the well. They are now extracting oil and gas from known formation which were previously uneconomical.
    Gary, I have been hearing about this new technique of fracking. Is it safe?
    I see the Council of Canadians doesn't think so, and would like to impose a moratorium. Hmm...are their concerns legitimate, or is this just another evil tactic of the environmental movement picking on the poor oil and gas industry?

    http://canadians.org/water/issues/fracking/index.html

    I am sure Vlad will be happy to put my mind at ease.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
    The most shocking aspect is that these people don't appear to have heard about abiotic oil. Coal production will be oh-so-yesteryear once we're all swimming in a sea of abiotic oil. Right, Vlad? Um, when did you say that was going to happen? ;)
    They are finding oil at deeper levels than was thought to be reasonable for fossil fuels. I think the oil comes from the mantle of the earth. We are limited by the cost of drilling to the depths and the technology to extract the oil. Now with the fracking techniques we can crack the rock and extract oil and gas. The can drill down a couple of miles vertically and then drill horizontally. They can also drill horizontally from different points of the vertical part of the well. They are now extracting oil and gas from known formation which were previously uneconomical.

    Drilling a well can cost millions and come up dry or uneconomical.

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  • Peter McKillop
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    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
    The most shocking aspect of that article is that the fine is only $115.
    The most shocking aspect is that these people don't appear to have heard about abiotic oil. Coal production will be oh-so-yesteryear once we're all swimming in a sea of abiotic oil. Right, Vlad? Um, when did you say that was going to happen? ;)

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post

    Of course when they get home they still expect their electricity to be on to power their homes, their laptops and their funky coffee makers at their local funky coffee shop.
    I notice they don't to Appalachia or other U.S. sites to protest.

    Mostly the mining companies are Metalurgical coal and Thermal Coal. The first used for things like steel making and the Thermal coal for electricity. There largest producer of Thermal coal in Canada is Sherritt Int. as far as I know. Somewhere around 45% of Alberta's electricity comes from coal.

    The first "natural" gas used in Toronto was manufactured gas. It was made from coal.

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  • Vlad Drkulec
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    Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
    I guess that's why they are pulling stunts like this now. http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blo...ain-white-rock

    Of course when they get home they still expect their electricity to be on to power their homes, their laptops and their funky coffee makers at their local funky coffee shop.
    The most shocking aspect of that article is that the fine is only $115.

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  • Zeljko Kitich
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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    The problem is people are becoming immune to the doomsters. The got through global warming in good shape and are now tackling climate change.

    Maybe we'll get a longer growing season to replenish the food that's being burned in our cars.
    I guess that's why they are pulling stunts like this now. http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blo...ain-white-rock

    Of course when they get home they still expect their electricity to be on to power their homes, their laptops and their funky coffee makers at their local funky coffee shop.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post

    Climatologists have been reluctant to use terms like "catastrophe", "threat to civilization", "mass extinctions", etc. to describe the dangers of climate change, but the threat is now so large that these terms are being used more and more often...
    The problem is people are becoming immune to the doomsters. The got through global warming in good shape and are now tackling climate change.

    Maybe we'll get a longer growing season to replenish the food that's being burned in our cars.

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  • Paul Beckwith
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    The climate change denialists are getting more and more bizarre in their claims...

    http://theconversation.edu.au/are-he...climate+denial

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  • Paul Beckwith
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    Climatologists have been reluctant to use terms like "catastrophe", "threat to civilization", "mass extinctions", etc. to describe the dangers of climate change, but the threat is now so large that these terms are being used more and more often...

    No more downplaying...

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...limate-threat/

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  • Gary Ruben
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    In the Toronto area the worst I've heard them predict is the possibility of some freezing rain tomorrow. Heavier rain Tuesday.

    Before Bob was a kid, Glaciers formed the area which is now called the Great Lakes. I wonder what caused global warming then, some 13,000 years ago?

    I guess with the Dinosaurs, those which turned into birds were warm blooded.

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  • Zeljko Kitich
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    Of course Bob Gillanders will say they had bigger snow storms when he was a kid but here goes Canada http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...ebec-snow.html

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  • Zeljko Kitich
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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    I guess this will heat up the discussion of cold or warm blooded dinosaurs. However, it does point to warmer weather in the north. Before the climate changed.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...d-of-far-north
    The north was warmer in the past. That's why the Vikings were able to have settled colonies on Greenland. Those colonies died out when the temperatures cooled and argiculture and animal husbandry were no longer possible. As well the Vikings refused to adopt Inuit ways that would have allowed them to cope with the changes.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    I guess this will heat up the discussion of cold or warm blooded dinosaurs. However, it does point to warmer weather in the north. Before the climate changed.

    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/a...d-of-far-north

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  • Zeljko Kitich
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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    Must be the answer. Or maybe the problem with less cubs you mention has to do with chemistry. The males not being attracted to the females.
    Or maybe Bob just kind of sort of remembers articles that support his view without actually having to produce them for others to verify. Not very scientific but an excellent street debater tactic.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Must be the answer. Or maybe the problem with less cubs you mention has to do with chemistry. The males not being attracted to the females.

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