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    Insightrix Research Poll re Canadian views on climate change:

    "Our survey indicates that Canadians from coast to coast overwhelmingly believe climate change is real and is occurring, at least in part due to human activity," said centre CEO Carmen Dybwad.

    Respondents were asked where they stood on the issue of climate change.

    Almost one-third — 32 per cent — said they believe climate change is happening because of human activity, while 54 per cent said they believe it's because of human activity and partially due to natural climate variation.

    Nine per cent believe climate change is occurring due to natural climate variation.

    Two per cent said they don't believe climate change is occurring at all.

    The " deniers " ( anti-climate change ) seem to be losing the public relations war - could it be because they are wrong??

    Bob

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      Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
      Mr. very unpleasant sour grapes downer aka Kitich. I do not remember exactly how many peer reviewed papers I have; I think that are about 12 to 15 or so. That does not count conference presentations of which there are ten or so. Not something I track too closely. Oh, I have two patents also. I have nothing to prove to you so find them yourself. Doofus...
      As far as I'm concerned you don't have any unless you can prove it. I have no interest in tracking down something on a wild goose chase. I'm still trying to find out how you qualify as an expert? If you do have any it's likely they are not technical but all about how to try to convince people that climate change is real. And if your long diabribe post about my editing style is any indication, they are not worth reading.

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        Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
        Insightrix Research Poll re Canadian views on climate change:

        "Our survey indicates that Canadians from coast to coast overwhelmingly believe climate change is real and is occurring, at least in part due to human activity," said centre CEO Carmen Dybwad.

        Respondents were asked where they stood on the issue of climate change.

        Almost one-third — 32 per cent — said they believe climate change is happening because of human activity, while 54 per cent said they believe it's because of human activity and partially due to natural climate variation.

        Nine per cent believe climate change is occurring due to natural climate variation.

        Two per cent said they don't believe climate change is occurring at all.

        The " deniers " ( anti-climate change ) seem to be losing the public relations war - could it be because they are wrong??

        Bob
        The question of right or wrong should be one of scientific evidence, not a high school type popularity contest. Just what ever did happen to all those Joe Cools in high school that today are the Al Bundys of the world. I predict the same fate for climate change if it does not have any real science behind it.

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          Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
          Insightrix Research Poll re Canadian views on climate change:
          Online poll of 1550 people. Nuff said.

          Ballot box stuffing? AGW alarmists would never do that, would they?

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            Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
            Online poll of 1550 people. Nuff said.

            Ballot box stuffing? AGW alarmists would never do that, would they?
            I've never heard of that polling firm.
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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              Hello all,

              The Arctic sea ice was hammered by a large cyclone that churned up the region for an entire week from about August 3rd to August 10th. On the order of 700,000 to 800,000 square kilometers of sea ice was lost. There is another cyclone on the way according to the long range forecast that will likely form on/about August 20th. Each successive cyclone will cause increasing amounts of damage to the sea ice.

              From is the latest image of the sea ice yesterday (August 15th).
              Large pockets of ice are breaking off in the top part of the image, and the three “fingers” that are developing on the top part of the ice mass will be next. Cyclone #2 is still on track for Aug 20th and it is centered near the middle of the three fingers, an almost ideal location to push the ice out into the Atlantic so I expect that it will reduce the ice even more than Cyclone #1 did. In fact I am sure that another few cyclones over the next month before the end of the melt season in mid- to late-September will completely eliminate the sea ice in the Arctic Ocean. This will amplify the changes to the jet streams in terms of slowing the speeds, increasing the waviness of the jets, and causing more extreme torrential rains and flooding, droughts, heat waves, and crop failures.

              Key points:
              Cyclone (low pressure area) occurred in Arctic Ocean and chewed up sea ice for an entire week
              - Storm area 1 million square kilometers
              - Wave height of 2 to 3 meters broke apart ice into smaller chunks, increasing surface area and thus melting
              - Storm mixed fresh water at surface (from melted ice) with deeper warmer saltier water from below increasing melting rate
              - Storm agitated water to depths of 500 meters (where water is much warmer) bringing it to surface increasing melt rate
              - Low pressure of storm center sucked up water level by 0.3 meters, causing warm water to flow into Arctic Ocean from Pacific Ocean via Bering Strait and from Atlantic Ocean, increasing melting
              - Storm rotation (counterclockwise) spread out ice over larger area and pushed ice towards open ocean (on Atlantic Ocean side)
              - Storms very rare in the Arctic in summer

              Weather forecasts from 10 day model (GFSx model) shows another cyclone will very likely occur in the Arctic starting on August 20th

              Sea ice is extremely thin and of very low area and volume. Before cyclone hit PIOMAS models showed:
              >5 % chance of complete melting of sea ice by 2013
              > 50 % chance of complete melting of sea ice by 2015
              > 95 % chance of complete melting of sea ice by 2018

              Obviously, the cyclone is increasing the chances of complete melting at a sooner date. Cyclone #2 is on the way and if there is a #3 and #4 then the sea ice could be cleared out of the Arctic ocean (by melting, transporting, and mechanical breakage into tiny pieces with melting) by September 30th. All of my research and attained knowledge on the climate system indicates that total loss of sea-ice is becoming ever more likely on a day-to-day basis.

              Arctic warming is 4x to 6x faster than global average. Sea ice has high reflectivity so cools Arctic; when replaced with dark sea water the warming accelerates even more. Temperature difference between equator and Arctic decreases, thus the jet streams slow down, become much wavier, and change the weather patterns around the globe. Storms track in different locations, moving much slower so some areas get torrential downpours and flooding while other areas are very hot and dry (compared to normal). This will worsen as the sea ice vanishes. Global food supply is the weak point in the human system.

              Methane stored in permafrost on land and in permafrost on the continental shelves sea floor (about 50 meter depth) is being released at ever increasing rates; one methane molecule causes >100 x the warming that one carbon dioxide molecule causes.

              Climate records going back many years (paleorecords) from sea ice cores and marine sediment cores show that average global temperatures increased in the range from 6 to 8 degrees Celsius within a decade or less.

              Sea ice is the Achilles Heel of climate system, or the keystone or cornerstone of the system. A definite tipping point.

              Here are some links to presentations/slides that I have created recently as supporting evidence for my assertions above:

              Presentation that I gave to CMOS (Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society) on January 19th, 2012. Note that I generated this presentation and gave the talk 7 months ago and over 50,000 people have accessed the report on the CMOS web site, yet the mainstream media has failed to bring this information to the attention of the public. An ethical travesty, in my opinion.
              http://www.cmos.ca/Ottawa/SpeakersSl..._19Jan2012.pdf

              Link to All-party climate change caucus meeting on Parliament Hill. Two months ago I gave this talk to the MPs in the center block of Parliament Hill. Liberal and NDP MPs were in attendance, but no Conservatives. Again, this information is being ignored by the media.
              https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByLu...VQLXBrV1k/edit

              Summary of cyclone #1 that severely damaged sea ice in first week of August:
              https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByLu...Z5NmFsdzA/edit

              Meteorology/long range forecasts for cyclone #2:
              https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByLu...RLMnlZYVE/edit

              More information on cyclone #2 that is expected to develop in the Arctic in 4 days or so:
              https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByLu...J6bXRSd00/edit

              Regards,
              Paul Beckwith

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                  Paul.
                  It is very clear to me that you know what you are talking about. You are to be commended for withstanding the attack of the trolls on this site - it is clear to me they don't know what they are talking about. As a lifelong student of a number of disciplines I have had to discard the writings of the know-nots. Some of us remember the prolific output in chess literature by one Fred Reinfeld.
                  Please continue to ignore the barbs of the Fred Reinfelds of the global warming discussion. They only make themselves appear fools with their comments.

                  Thank you for your input on ChessTalk.
                  Vlad Dobrich

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                    I would rather be "foolish" and ultimately correct than to follow the herd and drink the Gaian religion's koolaid. The media seizes upon every story that supports AGW regardless how tenuous such as this latest internet poll that supposedly 98% of Canadians believe in climate change and supposedly the majority believe that man is responsible either in whole or in part. If that were truly the case then how does that square with the fact that people voted in a majority conservative government that obviously doesn't act like it believes in the AGW doomsday scenario? There is obviously a disconnect between reality and what is being reported in the media.

                    The Gaian's demand that Canada commit financial and economic suicide as a sacrifice to their false god of AGW despite the fact that even if we were to acquiesce to their idiotic demands we would not change one thing because Canada is only a small part of the world's CO2 emissions and the other big emitters seem to see the CO2 scam as a way to milk Canada. Even the Liberals who signed the Kyoto agreement didn't do a single thing to reduce carbon emissions beyond talking about it.

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                      Thanks Vlad Dobrich. What a contrast between the 2 Vlads. The other one is a raving lunatic!

                      I have put together two additional presentations to analyze the coming storm, by comparing the one from 3 am Aug 17th to the one from now (7 pm August 17th, I label it the 18th)…

                      Sea ice in the Arctic will be absolutely slaughtered by a cyclone that is forming around August 20th, intensifying, and running all week until about August 27th. This cyclone is in the "sweet spot" for massive ice destruction. Ice damage from cyclone#1 (August 3rd to 10th) was about 800,000 square kilometers (to put in perspective, in the maximum melt year of 2007 there was just over 4 million square kilometers left at end of melt season; thus cyclone #1 destroyed about 20% of this value in one week). Here is my latest report on this development, and my report from yesterday...amazing and surreal to see our planet changing so quickly...
                      https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByLu...hNNFFSQjQ/edit

                      https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByLu...I1ZmMzUTg/edit

                      I have had interviews with Global News, Sun Media, CBC, as well as with a radio show live for ten minutes in the Maritimes (which gets broadcast on 3 different stations). Also I have submitted an article to the Ottawa parliament paper The Hill Times which they will publish next week.

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                        Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                        Thanks Vlad Dobrich. What a contrast between the 2 Vlads. The other one is a raving lunatic!

                        I have put together two additional presentations to analyze the coming storm, by comparing the one from 3 am Aug 17th to the one from now (7 pm August 17th, I label it the 18th)…

                        Sea ice in the Arctic will be absolutely slaughtered by a cyclone that is forming around August 20th, intensifying, and running all week until about August 27th. This cyclone is in the "sweet spot" for massive ice destruction. Ice damage from cyclone#1 (August 3rd to 10th) was about 800,000 square kilometers (to put in perspective, in the maximum melt year of 2007 there was just over 4 million square kilometers left at end of melt season; thus cyclone #1 destroyed about 20% of this value in one week). Here is my latest report on this development, and my report from yesterday...amazing and surreal to see our planet changing so quickly...
                        https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByLu...hNNFFSQjQ/edit

                        https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByLu...I1ZmMzUTg/edit

                        I have had interviews with Global News, Sun Media, CBC, as well as with a radio show live for ten minutes in the Maritimes (which gets broadcast on 3 different stations). Also I have submitted an article to the Ottawa parliament paper The Hill Times which they will publish next week.
                        Do you get paid for any of this?

                        It seems to me those who push the climate change and those who are against the climate change can make money. Cheerleader for either side rarely do.
                        Gary Ruben
                        CC - IA and SIM

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                          No, I do not get paid a cent for this. Whether I do it or not I get the same money as a grad. student and part-time prof. at the university...

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                            Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                            No, I do not get paid a cent for this. Whether I do it or not I get the same money as a grad. student and part-time prof. at the university...
                            I thought you were selling electricity to the province from solar panels. Did I misunderstand?

                            I was paid to work with fossil fuels over the decades.
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                              Originally posted by Vlad Dobrich View Post
                              Paul.
                              It is very clear to me that you know what you are talking about. You are to be commended for withstanding the attack of the trolls on this site - it is clear to me they don't know what they are talking about. As a lifelong student of a number of disciplines I have had to discard the writings of the know-nots. Some of us remember the prolific output in chess literature by one Fred Reinfeld.
                              Please continue to ignore the barbs of the Fred Reinfelds of the global warming discussion. They only make themselves appear fools with their comments.

                              Thank you for your input on ChessTalk.
                              Vlad Dobrich
                              Thanks Vlad the Gullible. That's a good example of the kind of lack of independent thinking, call everyone else a troll comment I'm trying to avoid. Now I see what independent thinkers are up against. Onward ho.

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                                Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
                                Thanks Vlad the Gullible. That's a good example of the kind of lack of independent thinking, call everyone else a troll comment I'm trying to avoid. Now I see what independent thinkers are up against. Onward ho.
                                Getting called gullible by a petty functionary government bureaucrat doesn't mean much.

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