THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Paul why is it that when people issue negative opinions on AGW you complain that they are in big oil's pockets and then you turn around and post every Chicken Little theory by big oil proponents. Is big oil bad only when it disagrees with you?

You are just in love with doomsday theories.

There is a branch of financial analysis of investments which relies on technical analysis of price patterns. Just eyeballing the graphs in those reports it is readily apparent that prices are still showing a downward trend. Maybe Gary will be kind enough to enlighten you. At the top end the graphs seem to be stable with no indication that there is support for higher price levels. Maybe they will break through and show support for higher prices but that hasn't happened yet.

You and your friend Jeremy Grantham who prepared that report are a big proponent of the teachings of Malthus but your and his behaviour in having two or three (?!) children clearly shows that you don't believe that action should be taken by yourself but rather by other unspecified people. Here is a clue: most people will not do as you say but rather as you do so please try to get real. Jeremy Grantham is selling something that I'm not buying.

If you really believe that he is right you should be investing your money in such a way that you bet that his conclusions are correct. I wouldn't advise it, though. You will lose your shirt if you do.

[Vlad Drkulec]

For the gloomy Gus's of the climate change thread...

http://www.facebook.com/brewsomegood

http://www.kraftfoodscompany.com/Sit...n_03312011.pdf

[Gary Ruben]

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The smart money will go...

Maybe you could help out here since you used that term. I've never seen "smart money" and don't know what it is. All I've ever seen is different denonimations, when it comes to legal currency.

You can't put a bunch of money on a chair and expect it to win a chess game. It won't win a baseball game.

So, what exactly is "smart money"?

How big a cash register would one need for 108 billion dollars. Most people, including me, can't imagine that much. Today I think 50 bucks is a lot of money.

[Paul Beckwith]

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New report by National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, Institute of Medicine, National Research Council titled America's Climate Choices...

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/on...RecordID=12781

Well researched, documented, and substantive.

Report 1:0 Vlad, Report 1:0 Gary Game over dudes...

Gary, "smart money" is a very commonly used term in investing, just Google it to see the usual usages.

The oil companies see that kind of money, Exxon Mobil earned an rate of $5 million dollars per hour for the first 3 months of this year, with the others in the big 5 close on their heels (BP second; I suppose huge spills do not ding income for long)...

[Paul Beckwith]

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USA today compared Vlad and Gary (climate change deniers) to Birthers; are you guys also birthers?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...hot-seat_n.htm

Game over dudes...

[Paul Beckwith]

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Partnership for a Secure America; signed by both Democrats and Republicans...

http://www.psaonline.org/article.php?id=560

Vlad and Gary, go back to Exxon and ask for more money since your reputations are taking a big hit...

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Game over dudes...

For you guys maybe.

Probability of Cap and Trade making it through any legislature in North America 0.000000000000000000000001%.

Reduction in Carbon Dioxide emissions through Cap and Trade systems in Europe: Zero.

If carbon dioxide is so bad why is the environmentalist solution to shuffle trillions of dollars around without actually doing anything about carbon dioxide.
The answer to that is to look at who is contributing to re-election campaigns.

Gary, "smart money" is a very commonly used term in investing, just Google it to see the usual usages.

Smart money is a term very commonly used in investing to describe a recommended investment action which invariably leads to loss of capital.

The oil companies see that kind of money, Exxon Mobil earned an rate of $5 million dollars per hour for the first 3 months of this year, with the others in the big 5 close on their heels (BP second; I suppose huge spills do not ding income for long)...

Not when you can convince all the useful idiots to focus on carbon dioxide instead of the real pollutants.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Partnership for a Secure America; signed by both Democrats and Republicans...

http://www.psaonline.org/article.php?id=560

Vlad and Gary, go back to Exxon and ask for more money since your reputations are taking a big hit...

Its interesting that you throw all these big money references who stand to profit from global warming hysteria at us while persisting in the delusion that Exxon cares that we are sticking a pin into the hot air balloon of your ego. You have lost and the losses are only just beginning to accumulate.

Last time I looked none of those individuals get a vote in any legislature. It would be interesting to cross reference those names against shareholder and director lists and payments from GE which (paid zero tax in the U.S. and even got money back from the government despite making $billions) and Goldman Sachs who both stand to profit handsomely if cap and trade were to come into existence.

[Gary Ruben]

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New report by National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, Institute of Medicine, National Research Council titled America's Climate Choices...

Well researched, documented, and substantive.

Report 1:0 Vlad, Report 1:0 Gary Game over dudes...

Gary, "smart money" is a very commonly used term in investing, just Google it to see the usual usages.

The oil companies see that kind of money, Exxon Mobil earned an rate of $5 million dollars per hour for the first 3 months of this year, with the others in the big 5 close on their heels (BP second; I suppose huge spills do not ding income for long)...

If the Americans are so concerned about the climate, how come they are buying around $200,000,000.00 (two hundred million dollars) A DAY of oil from us at the current prices. What you have to remember is that if there was nobody to buy the product the industry would go away. This is not the case.

How much oil a day do you buy and/or use?

"Smart Money" is something I leave to others. It usually ends up with things where the easy money has already been made. But I wouldn't know about these kind of things because I do my own analysis.

Were you ever a shareholder of those oil companies you mention? I never was.

Now I must run. There is a squeeky wheel that needs a bit of oil? Have you ever noticed how the squeeky wheel always gets the oil?

We'll find out in the Ontario election if people will vote for the climate changes the Ontario government has instituted. In the Federal election our Liberal MP lost and I thought he was a lock. The Liberal MPP will be retiring this year and the Cons have a guy form the taxpayers federataion to contest the riding for them. I'm guessing the plaform will be lower taxes.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Important article for people to read and discuss...climate change is here whether you like it or not, and will get a lot worse, this is the tip of the iceburg...the latest tornado to take out half of a city in Missouri went from a mesocyclone to an F5 tornado in about 10-15 minutes; fueled by a Gulf of Mexico sea surface temperature much warmer than normal...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...49G_story.html

[Gary Ruben]

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I was reading these things are like what occured around 1950. I'd have thought the climate change crowd would be pleased.

Paul, you do realize that area of the U.S. is referred to as Tornado Alley for a reason.

In another few months we'll see if the people of Ontario want to allow the present government to continue with their program, or elect a new government for a change of direction. It wouldn't surprise me if the present Liberal government were to be hard pressed to win more than 12 ridings in Ontario.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Senate page disrupts throne speech...nothing new, Harper started this type of action with his disrespect and contempt for parliament...

"Harper's agenda is disastrous for this country and for my generation," Brigette Marcelle says. "We have to stop him from wasting billions on fighter jets, military bases, and corporate tax cuts while cutting social programs and destroying the climate. Most people in this country know what we need are green jobs, better medicare, and a healthy environment for future generations."

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/jude...r-senate-today

[Gary Ruben]

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Is she still working there?

I take it you know what's happening with Solar in France? The policy is causing loss of jobs in the industry. A local company is either selling or spinning off its solar division by the end of the year.

Click Here...

Here's what they are doing in Germany.

Click Here...

Also

Click Here...

We'll have to see what happens here in Ontario after the election in a few months.

Actually, I'm surprised the unions support solar and wind. Maybe they don't but some of the leaders do. It seems to me when you build a lot of nuclear or gas electricity plants it provides a lot of work for union workers for the building and lifetime of the plant. With solar, other than the manufacture of the product it's like private contractors providing energy. Or so it seems to me.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Is she still working there?

I take it you know what's happening with Solar in France? The policy is causing loss of jobs in the industry. A local company is either selling or spinning off its solar division by the end of the year.

Click Here...

Here's what they are doing in Germany.

Click Here...

Also

Click Here...

We'll have to see what happens here in Ontario after the election in a few months.

Actually, I'm surprised the unions support solar and wind. Maybe they don't but some of the leaders do. It seems to me when you build a lot of nuclear or gas electricity plants it provides a lot of work for union workers for the building and lifetime of the plant. With solar, other than the manufacture of the product it's like private contractors providing energy. Or so it seems to me.

I'm not sure about solar but with wind energy rumour has it that the only people making money are the people who service the wind turbines. Paradoxically I think that all this government/taxpayer money is killing alternative energy by keeping it inefficient.

Solar should really be much further ahead than it is today. Instead of paying people 27 times the going wholesale rate for 20 years for the electricity produced they should have given tax breaks for making homes self sufficient in generating their own electricity rather than having to transmit it back to the grid (often at times when it is not required). Solar technology in conjunction with a local bank of batteries is much better suited to that application than the model they are trying to use it with.

[Gary Ruben]

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Probably anything with bearings and moving parts will have breakdowns.

Here's something on the Pickering wind turbine.

Click Here...

And a bit on European wind turbines.

Click Here...

Maintainance is always a good go. I used to fix turbine metering equipment. (not for electricity.) The faster they ran the faster the bearings wore out. That's not to mention the gears and other moving parts.