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  • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

    Why is it that in the U.S. green energy companies can profitably sign deals to produce electricity for 11 cents per kilowatt hour and our green energy companies are whining about subsidized rates of 60 cents per kilowatt hour.

    BTW we have lost key decisions in the trade arena on Ontario's green energy program. For some reason the Harper government is running interference for the McGuinty government but the writing is on the wall. Its over folks.

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      Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
      Why is it that in the U.S. green energy companies can profitably sign deals to produce electricity for 11 cents per kilowatt hour and our green energy companies are whining about subsidized rates of 60 cents per kilowatt hour.

      BTW we have lost key decisions in the trade arena on Ontario's green energy program. For some reason the Harper government is running interference for the McGuinty government but the writing is on the wall. Its over folks.
      I thought it is because Ontario is insisting on expensive materials manufactured in Ontario while the U.S. was inundated with imported low cost materials.

      I read somewhere the U.S. is thinking of, or has, imposed tariffs on imports they claim are subsidized by their government and are detrimental to U.S. companies.
      Gary Ruben
      CC - IA and SIM

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        Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
        I thought it is because Ontario is insisting on expensive materials manufactured in Ontario while the U.S. was inundated with imported low cost materials.

        I read somewhere the U.S. is thinking of, or has, imposed tariffs on imports they claim are subsidized by their government and are detrimental to U.S. companies.
        There have always been anti-dumping tarrifs. That was the Canada US softwood lumber dispute. You have to take them to the WTO to prove that you are not subsidizing but that is a long process.

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          Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
          and probably you read this
          http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...ouncement.html

          "despite a projected 24-per-cent increase in capital costs in just two years."

          They will wait another 2 years and add 25% again :D and so on.
          Here's a little more I found on the Nfld Muskrat falls project.

          http://www.tmxmoney.com/en/cpnews/HAB1026.html
          Gary Ruben
          CC - IA and SIM

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            Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
            There have always been anti-dumping tarrifs. That was the Canada US softwood lumber dispute. You have to take them to the WTO to prove that you are not subsidizing but that is a long process.
            Maybe China will do that.
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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              Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
              I am not on its risk-assessment team :p
              Though for a normal operation it should be safe in terms that it should not make a big bang. However, if all union members would stop their work what would be consequences for the plant? (and of course, it was not stopped completely)
              I found this on the net.

              http://www.ccnr.org/exports_1.html
              Gary Ruben
              CC - IA and SIM

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              • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                There have been at least a dozen or more articles written since my Sierra Club blog that was published on Monday, the day of the storm, that deal with the Sandy/climate change linkages. Unfortunately for the planet and the deniers, they all support my arguments.

                This article just appeared in the San Francisco Examiner that quotes me:
                http://www.examiner.com/article/hurr...climate-debate

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                  "We’ve been shortsighted. We’ve marginalized those who warned us. We’ve treated environmentalism as an irksome fad. We’ve given cadence to nontroversies and called it balance. We’ve spent trillions to protect ourselves against terrorists and done nothing to keep our biggest cities above water in a storm."
                  http://www.alternet.org/real-terror-...911?paging=off

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                    Paul, you wrote that this storm veered left unlike all other hurricanes before.
                    I grant this is not typical, but I question you is it truly unprecedented?

                    Have you indeed reviewed the tracks of all previous storms, or at least the short list of previous disaster hurricanes that hit New York?

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                      Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                      There have been at least a dozen or more articles written since my Sierra Club blog that was published on Monday, the day of the storm, that deal with the Sandy/climate change linkages. Unfortunately for the planet and the deniers, they all support my arguments.
                      I don't take the Sierra Club seriously.

                      It was a storm named for Halloween. In 1954 Toronto got Hurricane Hazel which did more damage than this one in this area. It was around this time of the year.

                      Weather happens.

                      http://www.hurricanehazel.ca/
                      Gary Ruben
                      CC - IA and SIM

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                        Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                        I don't take the Sierra Club seriously.
                        Is there anyone who does anymore? They seem to be beholden to anyone who will give them money. See the links between them and the Ambassador Bridge Company.


                        It was a storm named for Halloween. In 1954 Toronto got Hurricane Hazel which did more damage than this one in this area. It was around this time of the year.

                        Weather happens.

                        http://www.hurricanehazel.ca/
                        If we get a cold spell then its weather. If we get a natural disaster then its climate change. The question is, are they being intentionally dishonest or are they just stupid and don't understand that weather is not climate?

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                          Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

                          If we get a cold spell then its weather. If we get a natural disaster then its climate change. The question is, are they being intentionally dishonest or are they just stupid and don't understand that weather is not climate?
                          For this area that Frankenstorm wasn't as bad as forecast on the TV weather channel. The wind didn't amount to very much and the rain didn't either. Probably it was worse in other areas but not here.

                          In New York they cancelled the Knicks basketball game with the Nets last night. The NBA policy is, as far as I understand it, that if both teams can reach the stadium and 3 referees, the game will be played regardless of how few, if any, fans arrive. In this case the game was supposed to be broadcast nationally and they didn't want to do it with an empty stadium so they postponed the game.

                          The problem with all the climate doomsters is they think they have suddenly discovered weather changes. A bird poops on their window and they think it's a sh*tstorm. :)
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                            Originally posted by Alan Baljeu View Post
                            Paul, you wrote that this storm veered left unlike all other hurricanes before.
                            I grant this is not typical, but I question you is it truly unprecedented?
                            Compare the path of Hazel (1954) and Sandy (2012)





                            Was there precedent? Maybe. Look how dense they go in a period 1851 and 2005


                            sources Wiki from NHC

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                              Here is a link that totally trashes the view that there has been no warming for 16 years...
                              http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...keeps-warming/

                              Egidijus, thanks for the images. The paths are quite similar initially but as you move into the mid latitudes the storms ALWAYS move right due to two effects, namely the coriollis force deflecting objects to the right and the prevailing winds from west to east. Down closer to the equator there is some jogging that can occur if the prevailing winds there (from east to west) are strong enough to overcome the coriollis. It is the hard left in the midlatitudes seen by Sandy that has never happened before. Without climate change destroying the sea ice and contorting the jet streams with enormous amplitude Sandy would have veered right in the mid latitudes like every other hurricane in recorded history.

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                              • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                                Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post

                                Compare the path of Hazel (1954) and Sandy (2012)
                                One storm can prove climate change. So simple is climatology.
                                Gary Ruben
                                CC - IA and SIM

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