Ottawa Autumn Open

[Halldor P. Palsson]

2012 Ottawa Autumn Open
An EOCA Grand Prix Event

Date: September 14, 15-16, 2012

Place: RA Centre, 2451 Riverside Drive, Ottawa

Rounds: 5, Friday 7:30 PM Saturday & Sunday @ 10 AM & 3 PM.

Type: Regular Swiss

Sections and prizes are based on projected entries.

Open – (rated FIDE & CFC); 1st $400, 2nd $300 3rd $200; U2200 $100;
U 1900 – ( rated CFC); 1st $200, 2nd $100; U1750 $100;
U1600 – (rated CFC) 1st $100, 2nd $75 3rd 50..


Time Control: Game-in-90-plus-30-seconds-a-move,
or SD/120 with analog clock

Entry Fee: Open $60 if pre-registered, $70 at site;
U1900 $60 if pre-registered, $70 at site;
U1600 $40 if pre-registered, $50 at site

Amateur $30 (not eligible for prizes) and for those playing 3 rounds or less.
Free entry for GM/WGM & IM/WIM.

C.F.C. membership is required. FQE=CFC membership.

Requesting byes: max of two ½ point byes in the first three rounds.

Prizes: $$BEN

Organizers: Halldor P. Palsson / Aris Marghetis
TD: Halldor P. Palsson

Registration: Cheque by September 10, 2012, to:
Halldor P. Palsson, 633 Island Park Cr.,Ottawa, Ont. K1Y 3P4 or e-mail fs889@ncf.ca

or register in person at the RA Chess Club, August 30th, September 6,13, 7:00-7:30 PM

Please bring your own equipment

[Jean Hébert]

Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

Shouldn't you say CFC or FQE membership required ?

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Re: Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

Shouldn't you say CFC or FQE membership required ?

They follow the OCA rules :D

d) Any person participating in any chess tournament sponsored under the auspices of the Association o Regional Affiliate must be a member of both the Association and the Chess Federation of Canada, so long as the Association is affiliated with the Federation.

Imho.

Only for the national cfc championships FQE members become cfc members. All "private" tournaments can set their own rules for participants' memberships. Though the Cfc will treat FQE members as their own for rating finances.

[Jean Hébert]

Re : Re: Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

They follow the OCA rules :D

Imho.

Only for the national cfc championships FQE members become cfc members. All "private" tournaments can set their own rules for participants' memberships. Though the Cfc will treat FQE members as their own for rating finances.

This is already a most serious breach of the agreement. It is explicitly said in the FQE-CFC deal that : FQE members would be allowed to participate in any CFC rated tournament without having to be a member of the CFC or having to pay a tournament passport.

[Felix Dumont]

Re : Re: Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

This is already a most serious breach of the agreement. It is explicitly said in the FQE-CFC deal that : FQE members would be allowed to participate in any CFC rated tournament without having to be a member of the CFC or having to pay a tournament passport.

As Jean pointed out, the deal is clear. An FQE member has exactly the same rights as any other CFC member for any CFC rated tournament. Of course, a club or an organization has the right to require a local membership card for its tournament, but it must be on the same basis for everyone. Are Quebec CFC members or CFC members from the rest of Canada required to purchase the OCA membership in addition to their CFC membership?

[Jean Hébert]

Re : Re: Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

Are Quebec CFC members or CFC members from the rest of Canada required to purchase the OCA membership in addition to their CFC membership?

You probably mean "Quebec FQE members" ?

[Felix Dumont]

Re : Re: Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

You probably mean "Quebec FQE members" ?

No, I really meant Quebec CFC members. I wonder if they had to pay additionnal fees in the past. If so, it would be logical if FQE members also had too. If not, then FQE members should not have any additionnal fees.

[Aris Marghetis]

Re: Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

They follow the OCA rules :D


Imho.

Only for the national cfc championships FQE members become cfc members. All "private" tournaments can set their own rules for participants' memberships. Though the Cfc will treat FQE members as their own for rating finances.

Egidijus, how and why did you come up with the "OCA rules" crack, and why you would even respond as if you were organizing this event? I suspect that a simple glitch occurred as Halldor copied the event details from a previous event. I am stuck at the airport, but I have left Halldor a message at his home, to come and clarify any and all membership expectations for this event. In Eastern Ontario, we support "the deal"! :)

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Re: Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

Egidijus, how and why did you come up with the "OCA rules" crack, and why you would even respo :)

Is it a special chesstalk feature to keep the topic on the top with fruitless discussions? :D
Imho, the main Canadian organized chess property is to keep people out of play with various rules and fees.

I hope your trip was short :D

[Halldor P. Palsson]

Re: Ottawa Autumn Open

If it needs to be said about memberships we are in a period where FQE=CFC and vice versa.

In tournament ads I expect Quebec organizers to continue to ask for FQE membership and the rest of the country to continue to ask for CFC membership.

Is this worth even thinking about?

[Jean Hébert]

Re : Re: Ottawa Autumn Open

If it needs to be said about memberships we are in a period where FQE=CFC and vice versa.

In tournament ads I expect Quebec organizers to continue to ask for FQE membership and the rest of the country to continue to ask for CFC membership.

Is this worth even thinking about?

"Things should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler."
-Albert Einstein
To say that CFC=FQE is simplistic. In one case the money goes to the FQE, in the other to the CFC. The FQE membership is meant for Quebec residents while the CFC membership is meant for everybody else but Quebec residents. Selling one membership or the other is not the same. Actually both memberships must be sold everywhere in Canada, according to residency. This is the result of the FQE-CFC deal.

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

Imho, the main Canadian organized chess property is to keep people out of play with various rules and fees.

What? Are you suggesting tournaments with no rules and no fees? Good luck finding organizers under this scenario.

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Re : Re: Ottawa Autumn Open

To say that CFC=FQE is simplistic.

Yes, but perfectly fine. That is all the player needs to know, if he/she has an FQE membership, they can play.

But it does raise an important point that organizers should be aware of. If a Quebec resident shows up at your tournament without a valid FQE or CFC membership, you should renew their FQE membership. :)

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Re : Re: Ottawa Autumn Open

Yes, but perfectly fine. That is all the player needs to know, if he/she has an FQE membership, they can play.

But it does raise an important point that organizers should be aware of. If a Quebec resident shows up at your tournament without a valid FQE or CFC membership, you should renew their FQE membership. :)

I suppose an equally important question is: Does the FQE have a Tournament Playing Fee like the CFC?

We should probably put together a FAQ for Organizers on the CFC site with a bunch of these Q&A's...

[Jean Hébert]

Re : Ottawa Autumn Open

Is this worth even thinking about?

But it does raise an important point that organizers should be aware of. If a Quebec resident shows up at your tournament without a valid FQE or CFC membership, you should renew their FQE membership.

I am reassured to find out that all past CFC presidents are not necessarily =. ;) Mr. Palsson thinks it is not even worth thinking...

Unfortunately there is a lot more thinking and acting to do. Consider this. According to FQE bylaws, (as described by FQE employee Louis Morin on Parlons-Echecs) besides the FQE itself, only affiliated clubs, leagues and FQE rated tournament organizers can sell FQE memberships. This seems to prevent CFC organizers from doing what they should do : to sell FQE memberships to Quebec residents. Of course, there is an easy solution to that : the CFC should become a FQE affiliate... :).

"Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. "
- Bertrand Russell