Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change (ANCC)

[Brad Thomson]

There is nothing wrong with using oil, the problem is when too many people use it.

[Bob Armstrong]

Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change (ANCC)

Global Warming

The Poles

The Conger ice shelf, now identified as iceberg C-38, broke off in the Wilkes Land region, the U.S. National Ice Center said on March 17, after temperatures hit a record high of 11 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 11.8 Celsius) at Concordia station, more than 40 degrees Celsius above normal. It is believed to have been about 1,200 square kilometers (496 square miles), around the size of Los Angeles, and hit a tipping point during a midmonth heatwave and atmospheric river, NASA scientist Catherine Colello Walker tweeted.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-in-antarctica

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Bob Armstrong]

Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change (ANCC)

Global Warming

Asia - Kuwait

It was so hot in Kuwait last summer that birds dropped dead from the sky.

Sea horses boiled to death in the bay. Dead clams coated the rocks, their shells popped open like they’d been steamed.

Kuwait reached a scorching temperature of 53.2 degrees Celsius (127.7 degrees Fahrenheit), making it among the hottest places on earth.


https://apnews.com/article/climate-s...%20Subscribers

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Bob Armstrong]

The Driver of Climate Change?

It’s the bedrock idea underpinning global climate politics: Countries that got rich by spewing greenhouse gasses have a responsibility to cut emissions faster than those that didn’t while putting up money to help poor nations adapt.

This framework made sense at the dawn of climate diplomacy. Back in 1990, almost two-thirds of all disparities in emissions could be explained by national rankings of pollution. But after more than three decades of rising income inequality worldwide, what if gaps between nation states are no longer the best way to understand the problem?

There’s growing evidence that the inequality between rich and poor people’s emissions within countries now overwhelms the country-to-country disparities. In other words: High emitters have more in common across international boundaries, no matter where they call home.

Analysts from the World Inequality Lab, which is led by the Paris School of Economics and University of California at Berkeley recently put forward an alternative assessment focusing more on varying measures of consumer income than gross domestic product. After a generation of poorly distributed gains from globalization, it turns out that personal wealth does more than national wealth to explain the sources of emissions. Climate progress means first curbing the carbon output of the wealthier among us.


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...weekendreading

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Bob Gillanders]

There’s growing evidence that the inequality between rich and poor people’s emissions within countries now overwhelms the country-to-country disparities. In other words: High emitters have more in common across international boundaries, no matter where they call home.

Analysts from the World Inequality Lab, which is led by the Paris School of Economics and University of California at Berkeley recently put forward an alternative assessment focusing more on varying measures of consumer income than gross domestic product. After a generation of poorly distributed gains from globalization, it turns out that personal wealth does more than national wealth to explain the sources of emissions. Climate progress means first curbing the carbon output of the wealthier among us.

Hi Bob, thanks for the link to World Inequality Labs. Looks like some good reading for later.

Vast wealthy inequality is indeed a global issue. From enormous wealth comes enormous power. That enormous power impedes democracy. That lack of democracy impedes our ability to find equitable global solutions. The burden always falls upon the powerless. Maybe global warming will be that one issue large enough that we have to tackle wealth inequality as well.

So I am revising my wealth tax proposals. None of this 1% 2 % 5% nonsense.

Does anyone honestly feel that any one individual can earn more than a billion dollars given an economic system that has any semblance of equity? Even if you do, can we allow them to keep all of it? I don't think so.

If you have accumulated wealth of over a billion dollars, you either inherited it or earned it by exploiting others or a corrupt system.
So let's keep it simple:

Wealth tax - 100% over $1,000,000,000

All your assets are accessed at their current market value. That includes everything hidden in tax havens.
For example, that all adds up to 5 billion, your wealth tax bill is 4 billion. You get to keep the first billion.

Phase it in over a few years if you need to.

I am not a Communist.
I am not a Marxist.
I am not a Socialist.
I am not a Capitalist.
I am not a Libertarian.
I am not a Billionaire.

[Bob Armstrong]

Hi Bob G:

You list at the end, 6 things you are not.

Every one of them that are, will at this point be choking on their breakfast!!

I think you may find support though (Except among the Conservative Party of Canada and the Liberal Party of Canada and the Billionaires)!

~ Bob A(T-S/P)

[Dilip Panjwani]

No comment from our Libertarian friends, but I'll assume they would agree total elimination of government is not a real option.

Hi Bob G.,
Government is 'how we all decide to govern ourselves', and Libertarians wish to govern themselves by Natural Law. The functioning of this system of government is by 'circles within circles', i.e. let's say your closest circle is about 10 people strong, and one person from each of 10 circles closest to your circle form the nest circle, and so on and so forth, till the topmost circle of 10 people gets formed; if say the world some day has 10 billion people, all libertarians, you would have only 9 short and easy steps to take, to communicate with the topmost circle (or for that matter, a maximum of 17 steps to directly and officially communicate with any other circle in the world). The primary concern of each circle is to ensure that there is justice for all based on Natural Law, and various groups of circles in co-ordination with others may decide employ private companies to ensure that this happens. Because of the closely knit nature of this world community, and everyone agreeing to what the Natural Law is and is not, things can run pretty smoothly....

Hope this gives you a glimpse of what 'govenment' looks like in a Libertarian society.

And there would be no laws which enable thugs to exploit others to make billions... and hence there would be no need for your 100% wealth tax after the first billion, even if someone honestly ended up making that much money....

[Bob Armstrong]

Anthropogenic Positive Climate Change (APCC)

The Americas - Canada

New climate plan says oil and gas sector emissions must be cut 42 per cent by 2030.

Subscribers Only

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...mhAW4S4QM2hoOG

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Bob Gillanders]

Hi Bob G.,
Government is 'how we all decide to govern ourselves', and Libertarians wish to govern themselves by Natural Law. The functioning of this system of government is by 'circles within circles', i.e. let's say your closest circle is about 10 people strong, and one person from each of 10 circles closest to your circle form the nest circle, and so on and so forth, till the topmost circle of 10 people gets formed; if say the world some day has 10 billion people, all libertarians, you would have only 9 short and easy steps to take, to communicate with the topmost circle (or for that matter, a maximum of 17 steps to directly and officially communicate with any other circle in the world). The primary concern of each circle is to ensure that there is justice for all based on Natural Law, and various groups of circles in co-ordination with others may decide employ private companies to ensure that this happens. Because of the closely knit nature of this world community, and everyone agreeing to what the Natural Law is and is not, things can run pretty smoothly....

Hope this gives you a glimpse of what 'govenment' looks like in a Libertarian society.

And there would be no laws which enable thugs to exploit others to make billions... and hence there would be no need for your 100% wealth tax after the first billion, even if someone honestly ended up making that much money....

Hi Dilip,

I am not quite grasping this Libertarian concept. I suspect your argument may have some circular reasoning involved. :)

[Pargat Perrer]

Hi Bob G.,
Government is 'how we all decide to govern ourselves', and Libertarians wish to govern themselves by Natural Law. The functioning of this system of government is by 'circles within circles', i.e. let's say your closest circle is about 10 people strong, and one person from each of 10 circles closest to your circle form the nest circle, and so on and so forth, till the topmost circle of 10 people gets formed; if say the world some day has 10 billion people, all libertarians, you would have only 9 short and easy steps to take, to communicate with the topmost circle (or for that matter, a maximum of 17 steps to directly and officially communicate with any other circle in the world). The primary concern of each circle is to ensure that there is justice for all based on Natural Law, and various groups of circles in co-ordination with others may decide employ private companies to ensure that this happens. Because of the closely knit nature of this world community, and everyone agreeing to what the Natural Law is and is not, things can run pretty smoothly....

Hope this gives you a glimpse of what 'govenment' looks like in a Libertarian society.

And there would be no laws which enable thugs to exploit others to make billions... and hence there would be no need for your 100% wealth tax after the first billion, even if someone honestly ended up making that much money....

Excuse me? There would be no laws which enable thugs to exploit others to make billions?

Most of the time, thugs don't need laws that enable them to exploit others. They in fact break laws to exploit others. It seems to me that Libertarianism would in fact exacerbate this problem, because it is all about having a bare minimum of laws, letting thugs run roughshod. Especially CORPORATE thugs, of which the world is full.

So there isn't a prayer of a chance for libertarianism to somehow miraculously eliminate thugs exploiting others to make money. Total hogwash!

I have to say, Dilip, you seem to have the most simplistic, fairy tale way of thinking of economic and political matters I've ever run across. If you are some kind of a spokesperson for the Libertarian Party, I can understand why they are going nowhere. I think Bob Gillanders is giving you the same message, but he's a lot more subtle about it.

[Dilip Panjwani]

Hi Dilip,

I am not quite grasping this Libertarian concept. I suspect your argument may have some circular reasoning involved. :)

Hey Bob,
Puns aside, what is indeed circular is Prime Minister Bob G's government responding to the stealing by bad guys (who either use the law or break the law to make their undeserved billions) by stealing from the good guys (as only the good guys pay tax, not the bad ones)

[Bob Armstrong]

No system will eliminate the bad guys. And what they do best is stealing from the innocents.

The ONLY answer is LAW! The state must condemn such activity and make it punishable, both to keep the individual from running rampant, and as some deterrence to those contemplating a life of crime.


Lastly, no state, and no set of laws, will eliminate the bad guys --- the best we can hope is that not too many of them end up in power.

After that, you choose your governing/economic system based on other factors than the good guy/bad guy problem.

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Bob Armstrong]

Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change (ANCC)

Have we already PASSED Nature's "Tipping Point" (We can no longer regain Nature's historical balance favourable to mankind)?


‘OK Doomer’ and the Climate Advocates Who Say It’s Not Too Late

A growing chorus of young people is focusing on climate solutions. “‘It’s too late’ means ‘I don’t have to do anything, and the responsibility is off me.’”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/c...=pocket-newtab

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Bob Armstrong]

CT Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change Thread

Week # 13 (22/3/23 – 29)

Weekly Stats:

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Note: There is a flurry of activity when a thread starts, and then it tapers off and levels. This generally tends to keep the 2022 Average to date higher, for a long while, than a later weekly stable current rate.

Stats Analysis

The thread became more active last week! There seems to be, now, a relatively stable participation in this thread after 13 weeks! I have tried to post new material regularly on various aspects of climate change as I came across them, and this has likely helped.

The Pressing Climate Change Issue

The core issue, IMHO, IS how to get society to perceive the issue as URGENT, as it is. What action is needed from climate activists to “AWAKEN” the public that this issue cannot just continuously be kicked down the road? Nature's Tipping point is estimated to be, on current trajectory, only 9 years away (Around Jan. 1, 2031). Time is fast running out!

The Large Picture Solutions

Can we come up with at least one or two viable suggestions of impressive, radical things that might wake up the public, that we could then put out there to other concerned client activists?

CT'ers' Local Actions on Climate Change

You can do something! When you like one of this thread's links on an aspect of climate change, spread the news by posting it to your social media accounts and other Websites/Discussion Boards you participate in!

~ Bob (T-S/P)

[Bob Armstrong]

Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change (ANCC)

The CO2 (Greenhouse gas) Problem

The world’s oceans are amazing carbon sponges, capturing a quarter of human-produced carbon dioxide when surface waters react with the greenhouse gas in the air or marine organisms gobble it up as they grow.

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...eid=c1a8ffafd2

~ Bob A (t-S/P)