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  • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

    We are often naive about the true political shade of a country...check out my post about the USA and China...
    I am still struggling to comprehend the Libertarian philosophy. They seem to be confused on several fronts!

    But anyway, can we return to how do we tackle climate change.
    I haven't heard much from Naomi Klein lately, but here is a gem.

    ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydm3...emocracyNow%21

    We need to value life over money.

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    • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

      Peter, We are often naive about the true political shade of a country...check out my post about the USA and China...
      And I fully agree with you on the critical importance of compassion...
      And talking of Scandinavian countries, I love Sweden, where the government wields so little power that many of its ministers have to use public transport to get to work
      When i visited a cousin in a modern community in Sweden I noticed that there were no parking spots or parking lots, more room for houses.

      My brother studied urban planning there and found them very logical.. For example, all apartments buildings reserved the first floor for seniors and wheelchair bound tenants. But their wonderful ideas don't work here where short-term profits come first.

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      • A TedTalk from Naomi Klein before the pandemic.

        ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Sc...ithStevePaikin

        Brilliant.

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        • Greta back in 2018

          ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmm...nnel=TEDxTalks

          3 years later, just before COP26

          ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2TJ...el=DohaDebates

          after COP26

          ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDKz...nel=SimonClark

          Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Monday, 24th January, 2022, 04:21 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
            Dilip : any system of man except "the stifling tyranny of Marxism"!

            Democratic Marxism (DM) is a different kind of socialism...

            Democratic Marxism is in direct line with Marx's thinking on democracy ...
            My Proposition: Immediate replacement of governments around the globe by national Democratic Marxist parties is the ONLY way man will get legal "radical" changes from governments that will avoid climate change suicide.
            Finally someone who is honest about climate change.

            Marx let his own family starve. Most communist regimes maintain the fiction of being democratic.

            The ironic part is that when you succeed in getting your great socialist revolution many of the people pushing for this revolution will be the first and most spectacular victims. Most think that they will get to be the people in charge but there can only be one person in charge and he will kill anyone who is a threat. See the leader of North Korea and the life expectancy of any relative not trusted by the great leader. Look back on the history of the Soviet Union and other communist countries who hunted down dissidents and threats around the world. Trotzky was once a friend of Stalin but that didn't save him from the ice pick half a world away.

            If you want great human misery put your trust in Marxism or Gaia or any of the other nonsense posted on this thread. Most of the people posting here have no knowledge of how the world works.

            If you want to know what is going on with climate change you should follow the money.

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            • Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
              Most of the people posting here have no knowledge of how the world works. If you want to know what is going on with climate change you should follow the money.
              First, nobody here or anywhere else has any idea how the world works. Second, agreed completely.

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              • Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

                Finally someone who is honest about climate change.

                . . .

                If you want to know what is going on with climate change you should follow the money.
                Lots of money to be made, and big profits from government contracts always attracts fraudsters and kickback corruption.

                But also have to follow the money of who is spending millions to prevent regulations on their profitable, but polluting, industries. Like the Koch brothers, Southern Company, and Exxon Mobil.

                They're many links on google, mostly 10 years old when they were fighting Obama..

                from https://meansandmatters.bankofthewes...limate-change/

                As a Global society, we must increase spending to at least $4.13 trillion every year by 2030.2019-20 averaged a meager $632 nillion per year.

                100 companies have been responsible for 71% of the entire world's industrial gas emissions. Anti-climate politicians get nearly twice the corporate donations as tose who vote in favor of climate action. Fossil fuel companies invest millions to lobby against climate legislation.

                https://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/...ge-propaganda/

                There were 91 organizations that are funded, $900 million a year, by 140 different foundations that oppose climate change.

                https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ktanks-network

                The Donors Capital Fund has channeled $120 million of billionaires money to 102 groups casting doubt about the Science behind climate change.

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                • Suggesting that the only way to get change is a world strike.....Hmmmm.....

                  Will this happen??

                  ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
                  Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Tuesday, 25th January, 2022, 05:12 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                    Suggesting that the only way to get change is a world strike.....Hmmmm.....

                    Will this happen??

                    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
                    Nope. If the wokesters strike no one will notice and it might be a very good thing if they went on permanent strike.

                    In related news climate change wokester Arnold Swarzenegger was involved in a collision with a Prius while driving a big gas guzzling Yukon. I guess the Humvees were in the shop. The Prius was making a U turn which caused the accident on Sunset Boulevard. A Porsche was damaged in the ensuing mayhem.

                    Arnold should stick to making movies and do some better movies as the only ones he has made recently that were bearable to watch were part of the Terminator franchise.

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                    • Sir David passing the torch to Greta.

                      ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Cw..._channel=COP26

                      "a change in moral attitude.......self interest is for the past, common interest is for the future", Sir David

                      Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Tuesday, 25th January, 2022, 02:41 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

                        Nope. If the wokesters strike no one will notice and it might be a very good thing if they went on permanent strike.

                        In related news climate change wokester Arnold Swarzenegger was involved in a collision with a Prius while driving a big gas guzzling Yukon. I guess the Humvees were in the shop. The Prius was making a U turn which caused the accident on Sunset Boulevard. A Porsche was damaged in the ensuing mayhem.

                        Arnold should stick to making movies and do some better movies as the only ones he has made recently that were bearable to watch were part of the Terminator franchise.
                        Wayne has retired and the pay and benefits are good. The wokesters are looking for the right man (right wing, that is). Apply now, Vlad!

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                        "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                        "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                        "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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                        • Man is the main cause of the Earth suffering from Negative Climate Change - we are throwing out of balance Nature and our atmosphere.

                          What needs to be done for man to NOW engage in Positive Climate Change - re-balancing the system as it has historically existed?

                          Nuclear?

                          Is this helpful to reverse Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change (ANCC)?

                          https://www.newstatesman.com/environ...climate-crisis

                          ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
                          Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Tuesday, 25th January, 2022, 06:43 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                            Man is the main cause of the Earth suffering from Negative Climate Change - we are throwing out of balance Nature and our atmosphere.

                            What needs to be done for man to NOW engage in Positive Climate Change - re-balancing the system as it has historically existed?

                            Nuclear?

                            Is this helpful to reverse Anthropogenic Negative Climate Change (ANCC)?

                            https://www.newstatesman.com/environ...climate-crisis

                            ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
                            Hi. Bob,
                            What do you think of this paper? Not the authors, the actual contents of the paper. Specifically what issues do you have with it if any?

                            https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/bdd...913881837f.pdf

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                            • Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

                              Hi. Bob,
                              What do you think of this paper? Not the authors, the actual contents of the paper. Specifically what issues do you have with it if any?

                              https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/bdd...913881837f.pdf
                              Never mind.




                              Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Tuesday, 25th January, 2022, 08:00 PM.

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                              • Hi Sid:

                                Your citations are challenging for those of us who can't read: 59 pages (Yikes)

                                Study Intro:

                                "A recent study has revealed that the natural atmospheric greenhouse effect is around 90 K or

                                about 2.7 times stronger than assumed for the past 40 years. A thermal enhancement of such
                                a magnitude cannot be explained with the observed amount of outgoing infrared long-wave
                                radiation absorbed by the atmosphere (i.e.158 W m-2), thus requiring a re-examination of
                                the underlying Greenhouse theory."

                                Suppose we accept the "recent study". The second sentence admits that the rise in temperature under our now impervious atmospheric canopy (I argue, that man created), is unexplained by light/heat reflection off Earth and back into the atmosphere.

                                So the two researchers go looking for a complicated, and not generally accepted, explanation for this discrepancy.

                                Ockham's Razor posits that when there are a number of possible explanations, one should always start with the simplest.

                                Man started unbalancing the atmosphere with the start of the industrial revolution, and we have been going full tilt ever since, despite year after year warnings that we were putting ourselves on a path of climate suicide.

                                So what is the simplest explanation of the continuing enhancement of the greenhouse effect?

                                The simple answer: We are consistently and continuously increasing the impermeability of the atmospheric canopy (The problem). So day by day, the thermal enhancement is being caused by less and less of the outgoing infrared long-wave

                                radiation being able to penetrate the canopy and escape. Day by day we are trapping more and more of the reflected heat within our atmosphere, causing the measured thermal enhancement/rise.

                                The Solution: A radical cut-back in the human-created greenhouse gases.


                                ~ Bob A (T-S/P)

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