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Though wildfires generate heat, I don't think they are the source of our current global-warming.
Their major health consequence is polluted air.
You may be right that governments have not effectively kept up with climate change, the main cause of the wildfires (Not arsonists - there are no statistics that claim this in Canada).
Sid's Facts - Earth's current 'Natural" warming cycle operates recently at the average rate of 1/2 degree C every century: Post # 1390 - "the data I presented....shows .5 degrees average climate increase every century over the last three hundred years".
Centre for Climate & Energy Solutions' Facts - The Earth’s average surface temperature has increased by about 1.8°F (1.0°C) since the late 1800s[= 1/2 degree C in slightly less than every century] .
Conclusion: There seems to be a close correlation in the two positions.
2. Earth's Temperature Rise Before the Industrial Revolution
Sid's Facts - Sid uses a 3 century period to claim a recent 1/2 degree C temperature rise per century. So from 1725 (Approx.) to 1875, the temperature was rising by natural negative climate change, since the industrial revolution only started about 1850 (Approx.), and there was no greenhouse gas canopy: Post # 1390: [For the 300 year period]... half of which was a pre-industrial revolution with insignificant industrial carbon emissions...."
Centre for Climate & Energy Solutions' Facts - "Human-caused greenhouse gas emissions are responsible for the observed warming." (URL above)
Conclusion: The two positions seem in direct conflict.
3. Earth's Recent Weather Extremes
Sid's Facts (As I understand them, being subject to correction)- Though the earth is warming, what the mainstream science and media are calling "record-breaking" & "extreme" weather events are not. Historical research shows earlier comparable events when the Earth was in fact cooler.
Centre for Climate & Energy Solutions' Facts - "A warmer Earth also experiences more extreme weather events, like longer fire seasons, bigger and more frequent floods, and slower and stronger hurricanes.(URL above)
Conclusion: The two positions seem in direct conflict.
So is this partly where we are at now? Any CT'ers want to weigh in?
I listened to the video summary of the Genocidal WEF-controlled IPCC. The best part is "food security" that they had to slip in; in case you haven't noticed, what the farmer protests are about worldwide is the WEF client states such as the Netherlands is, their Nazi-like attempts to destroy the agricultural food supply by putting thousands of farms out of business.
So let's get down to the antiscience steaming pile of dog shit report the IPCC put out.
Net Zero Plans Are Dangerous and Unsupported by Science and the Scientific Method
Net Zero initiatives of governments and private organizations are scientifically invalid and will lead to worldwide impoverishment and starvation if implemented, according to a paper published by the CO2 Coalition.
The 55-page paper details how the objectives of Net Zero to eliminate the use of fossil fuels and the emissions of greenhouse gases are based on analytical methods that violate fundamental tenets of the scientific method, which originated more than 300 years ago.
“Reliable scientific knowledge is determined by the scientific method, where theoretical predictions are validated by observations or rejected by failing to do so,” said the paper’s authors – two renowned physicists and a geologist of more than 40 years.
“Agreement with observations is the measure of scientific truth,” continues the paper. “Scientific progress proceeds by the interplay of theory and observation. The theory explains observations and makes predictions of what will be observed in the future. Observations anchor understanding and weed out theories that don’t work.”
The paper predicts global starvation if fossil fuels are eliminated. At risk in coming decades would be half of the world’s 8.5 billion to 10 billion people who are fed by crops grown with fertilizers derived from fossil fuels. Listed as an example of Net Zero’s potential consequences is the economic and social calamity of Sri Lanka, which had banned the use of fertilizers and pesticides made from fossil fuels.
“The recent experience in Sri Lanka provides a red alert. The world has just witnessed the collapse of the once bountiful agricultural sector of Sri Lanka as a result of government restrictions on mineral fertilizer,” the paper says.
The paper says that 600 million years of geological evidence shows that CO2 levels are near a record low and that atmospheric increases of the gas follow warming periods rather than precede them.
These data “are good enough to demolish the argument that atmospheric CO2 concentrations control Earth’s climate and the theory that fossil fuels and CO2 will cause catastrophic global warming. They will not.”
The paper’s authors are Dr. William Happer, Professor of Physics, Emeritus, Princeton University; Dr. Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science Emeritus, Massachusetts Institute of Technology; and Gregory Wrightstone, a geologist and executive director of the CO2 Coalition.
The paper says Net Zero regulations and actions are scientifically invalid because they:
Fabricate data or omit data that contradict their conclusions. Net Zero proponents regularly report that extreme weather is more severe and frequent because of climate change while the evidence shows no increase – and, in some cases, a decrease – in such events.
Rely on computer models that do not work. An analysis of 102 computer models used by Net Zero proponents found that 101 of them had failed to match real-world observations. “Simply stated, the (computer) model essential to every government Net Zero regulation, action and the trillions of dollars subsidizing renewables and electric cars, trucks, home heating, appliances and many other products do not work,” said the paper.
Rely on findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that aregovernment opinions, not science. The paper says that the conclusions of IPCC scientists that contradict the narrative of catastrophic global warming from fossil fuels are rewritten by government bureaucrats for public reports to support the false narrative of Net Zero proponents.
Omit the extraordinary social benefits of CO2 and fossil fuels. Carbon dioxide, including that from the burning of fossil fuels, serves as plant food that increases crop production and enables the feeding of more people. CO2, as well as the greenhouse gases of methane and nitrous oxide, help to keep Earth at temperatures conducive to life; without them, people would suffer. Fossil fuels are economical and abundant sources of energy necessary for modern societies and are critical feedstocks for fertilizers and pesticides that support the lives of billions of people.
Omit the disastrous consequences of reducing fossil fuels and CO2 emissions to Net Zero. “It cannot be overemphasized that eliminating fossil fuels and implementing Net Zero policies and actions mean the elimination of fossil fuel-derived nitrogen fertilizers and pesticides that will result in about half the world’s population not having enough food to eat,” says the paper.
Reject the science that demonstrates there is no risk of catastrophic global warming caused byfossil fuels and CO2. “We are not aware of any reliable science that supports the National Climate Assessment’s or others’ theory that fossil fuels and CO2 will cause catastrophic global warming,” said the paper’s authors, “We have written extensively on this issue for decades.”
The Arlington-based CO2 Coalition is a nonprofit organization of more than 100 scientists and researchers engaged in educating the public and policymakers on the benefits of carbon dioxide and on the role of the gas in climate dynamics.
Though wildfires generate heat, I don't think they are the source of our current global-warming.
Their major health consequence is polluted air.
You may be right that governments have not effectively kept up with climate change, the main cause of the wildfires (Not arsonists - there are no statistics that claim this in Canada).
Bob A (Anthropogenicist)
All 46 forest fires on Vancouver Island this year were caused by humans
Blame climate change?
Every forest fire on Vancouver Island this year — all 46 of them — has been started by humans, though that won’t stop political opportunists from moralizing about climate change.
According to Jade Richardson, information officer at Coastal Fire Centre, typically by this time of the year Vancouver Island would only have had two forest fires.
“Vancouver Island specifically has been seeing increased fire activity in 2023,” Richardson told Chek News.
“On the Island, we haven’t had any natural caused fires, all 46 have been human-caused.”
Generally, nearly half of Canada’s forest fires are started naturally by lightning, and humans cause the other half.
What explains the uptick in forest fires?
A recent poll from Clean Energy Canada indicated that 7 out of 10 Canadians believe the recent wildfires have something to do with climate change.
However, the annual number of wildfires in Canada over the past 40 years appears to be relatively stable, if not slightly decreasing. In spite of this, the usual suspects continue to politicize the fires.
Earlier this month, Trudeau’s former advisor and long-time pal Gerald Butts blamed climate change for the forest fires that were started by arsonists across Canada.
Destructive forest fires are increasing every year because of global warming. Right?
For accidentally-caused fires by humans, the risk is now much higher because of heat/drought and the effect on the ground and the organic materials on it, due to climate change.
Sid, do you suspect that the arsonists are random idiots or employees of the advocates of manmade climate change? Or perhaps some of each? Also, is it possible that acts of arson have worse consequences than they used to due to climate change, whether manmade or not?
For accidentally-caused fires by humans, the risk is now much higher because of heat/drought and the effect on the ground and the organic materials on it, due to climate change.
Bob A (Anthropogenicist)
Originally posted by Bob Armstrong
For accidentally-caused fires by humans
Originally posted by Brasd Thomson
Sid, do you suspect that the arsonists are random idiots or employees of the advocates of manmade climate change? Or perhaps some of each? Also, is it possible that acts of arson have worse consequences than they used to due to climate change, whether manmade or not?
Bob, do you ever read anything? https://forum.chesstalk.com/forum/ch...255#post227255
The so-called "accidental fires based on satellite imagery ignited simultaneously across Canada. Dozens of arsonists across Canada have been arrested. This was not an "accident."
The Canadian Government orchestrated this to support a climate change emergency when there is not one, period!
There is ZERO evidence to suggest that the consequences of arson are worse now than they have been in the past, and as per my post linked above, (apparently, neither you nor Bob read), wildfires were much more problematic in the past than today.
Yet another zero-evidence steaming pile of Horseshit from Bob!
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Wednesday, 28th June, 2023, 09:50 PM.
For accidentally-caused fires by humans, the risk is now much higher because of heat/drought and the effect on the ground and the organic materials on it, due to climate change.
The reason human caused fires have increased is that besides the categories described in the above article, there is now a brand new one: 'The climate-change anxious/alarmist arsonist' !
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Wednesday, 28th June, 2023, 10:21 PM.
Sid, when you say the Canadian government orchestrated this, do you mean the elected representatives or public service employees? Is it not more likely that the culprits work for more secretive globalist monstrosities? Illuminati? Others?
Sid, when you say the Canadian government orchestrated this, do you mean the elected representatives or public service employees? Is it not more likely that the culprits work for more secretive globalist monstrosities? Illuminati? Others?
Brad, do your own due diligence. You can start with Justin Trudeau's tweets when these fires started.
"Canada is seeing its worst fire season on record as almost 500 fires rage across the country, according to fire officials. Canadian wildfire smoke reaches Europe.
As the climate crisis escalates, scientists expect that wildfire seasons will increase in severity, especially as droughts and heat become more common and more severe across the world.
"Canada is seeing its worst fire season on record as almost 500 fires rage across the country, according to fire officials. Canadian wildfire smoke reaches Europe.
As the climate crisis escalates, scientists expect that wildfire seasons will increase in severity, especially as droughts and heat become more common and more severe across the world.
Bob, you consider the globalist one-world government ambitions one of the greatest threats to mankind yet you continually quote their propaganda disseminators. CNN is one of the main contributors of misinformation for the WEF. https://www.weforum.org/people/fareed-zakaria.
Just like with temperatures, these wildfires again are not record-breaking by any stretch of the imagination
Originally posted by Bob Armstrong
The Facts
"The Facts" CNN Omits"
In the early part of the twentieth century, wildfires were indeed record-breaking with 1910: Known as the "Big Blowup" or the "Great Fire of 1910," this year saw massive wildfires across several western states, particularly Idaho, Montana, and Washington. It is considered one of the largest wildfire events in U.S. history.
1933: This year experienced severe wildfires across multiple states, including California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Montana. The "Tillamook Burn" in Oregon lasted for several years and was one of the most significant fire events.
1947: Known as the "Great Fires of 1947," this year saw numerous fires across the Northeastern United States, particularly in Maine, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts. These fires destroyed thousands of acres of forestland and caused significant damage.
1988: This year witnessed an extensive wildfire season in the western United States, with particularly severe fires in Yellowstone National Park. The park experienced a series of large fires that burned for several months and gained significant media attention.
2000: 2000 saw an active wildfire season, primarily in the Western United States. States like Montana, Idaho, Washington, and Oregon experienced significant fires, resulting in widespread destruction.
As in the graph I provided you in the previous link that you still have not looked at, the Canadian fires were not record-breaking either.
The use of firelines became more formalized and systematic in the early twentieth century as fire management practices evolved. After the significant wildfires in 1910, which I mentioned earlier, there was a greater emphasis on fire suppression and prevention efforts in the United States. None of it had anything to do with climate change!
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Friday, 30th June, 2023, 12:54 AM.
That is rich coming from you, Bob. Marx himself said communism could be summarized in four words. "abolishment of private property." For those of
you that don't have an electron microscope, here is what Bob was attempting to post.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Friday, 30th June, 2023, 09:22 PM.
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