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Negative Anthropogenic Climate Change (NACC)
Strategy: Societal Change
Greta Thunberg: Saving the Climate Means Changing How We Live
https://time.com/6254639/greta-thunb...lctg=206908353
~ Bob A (T-S/P)Comment
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The article highlights not one thing that Greta is suggesting. Can you enumerate a few for your chesstalkers, Bob?Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View PostComment
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ChessTalk
Negative Anthropogenic Climate Change (NACC) Thread
(Started: 21/12/9)
Week # 6 (23/2/6 – 23/2/12: 7 days)
Weekly Stats:
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Analysis of Last Weeks Stats
The stats for last week are keeping pace with both last week's stats, and the 2023 average so far. The thread remains quite active.
Climate Change Thread “Responses”
There are lots of climate change articles out there, both on negative anthropogenic climate change, and negative natural climate change.
This thread encourages CT'ers on all sides to re-post here, as responses, the climate change posts of interest they see elsewhere. Overall, ChessTalker's have been quite active here in posting “responses” and it seems that chessplayers across Canada re wanting information on climate change, a challenge unlike any our species has ever faced before.
Note:
1. The goal of this thread is not to woodshed an opposing view into submission. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide.
2. I personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least every 2nd day, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is great that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.
The Pressing Climate Change Issue
The core issue:
Building a sense of URGENCY on this issue in society. We must realize that we cannot kick it down the road any longer!
The public is aware of the climate change issue.......
BUT.....
climate activists must find strategies to “AWAKEN” the public to the “urgency”.
It is expected, though somewhat disheartening, to see other negative issues of the day climb immediately to the top of the public's agenda, with climate change being sometimes substantially downgraded in importance. We will all pay for this.........
The Time Line
Nature's Tipping point is estimated to be, on current trajectory, only 9 years away (Around Jan. 1, 2031). Capping the temperature rise at only 1.5 degrees Celsius (the original international target) is now impossible (UN Climate Change Panel's most recent report). Their position is that the problem at this time is mostly due to human activity, and that radical change in our method of living is the only way to avoid this rising, very problematic, temperature. UNCCP noted that current government deadlines were totally insufficient to solve the problem. CO 2 must be capped by 2025! Methane is another greenhouse gas of concern, with some maintaining it contributes more to the problem than CO2. The extent of involvement in the greenhouse effect of water vapour is somewhat controversial.
Also, it has now become necessary to add in the process of CO 2 “removal”, along with “eliminating” the spewing of greenhouse gases into our atmosphere by human activity.
Our window of opportunity is fast closing.
The Large Picture Solutions
Can we come up with at least one viable suggestion of some impressive, radical thing that might wake up the public, that we could then put out there to other concerned climate activists?
Negative “Natural” Climate Change
This thread has had a number of CT'ers arguing for Natural Climate Change, and arguing that the human economic activity contribution to negative climate change is negligible. We are just in one of Nature's long warming cycles.
We would encourage everyone to consider the materials being presented, and then see whether they in any way change your perspective, if you are an adherent of negative Anthropogenic climate change. Whether you change anything, or not, your assessment of the evidence would be most welcome in this thread.
CT'ers' Local Actions on Climate Change
You can do something! When you like one of this thread's links on an aspect of climate change, spread the news by posting it to your social media accounts and other Websites/Discussion Boards you participate in!
~ Bob (T-S/P)
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Hi Bob,Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View PostChessTalk
Negative Anthropogenic Climate Change (NACC) Thread
(Started: 21/12/9)
Week # 6 (23/2/6 – 23/2/12: 7 days)
Weekly Stats:
Views
.....................................................2023 Average.... 2022 Average
Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day..........Views/Day
Views/Day........Views/Day.............(6wks.)........ ......(6 wks.).
........38....................45..........................34.....................44
Responses (Posts)
......................................................2023 Average.........2022 Average
....Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day......Responses/Day
Responses/Day....Resp./Day......... (6 wks.)....................... (6 wks.)
.............3....................3.........................3..........................5.
Analysis of Last Weeks Stats
The stats for last week are keeping pace with both last week's stats, and the 2023 average so far. The thread remains quite active.
Climate Change Thread “Responses”
There are lots of climate change articles out there, both on negative anthropogenic climate change, and negative natural climate change.
This thread encourages CT'ers on all sides to re-post here, as responses, the climate change posts of interest they see elsewhere. Overall, ChessTalker's have been quite active here in posting “responses” and it seems that chessplayers across Canada re wanting information on climate change, a challenge unlike any our species has ever faced before.
Note:
1. The goal of this thread is not to woodshed an opposing view into submission. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide.
2. I personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least every 2nd day, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is great that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.
The Pressing Climate Change Issue
The core issue:
Building a sense of URGENCY on this issue in society. We must realize that we cannot kick it down the road any longer!
The public is aware of the climate change issue.......
BUT.....
climate activists must find strategies to “AWAKEN” the public to the “urgency”.
It is expected, though somewhat disheartening, to see other negative issues of the day climb immediately to the top of the public's agenda, with climate change being sometimes substantially downgraded in importance. We will all pay for this.........
The Time Line
Nature's Tipping point is estimated to be, on current trajectory, only 9 years away (Around Jan. 1, 2031). Capping the temperature rise at only 1.5 degrees Celsius (the original international target) is now impossible (UN Climate Change Panel's most recent report). Their position is that the problem at this time is mostly due to human activity, and that radical change in our method of living is the only way to avoid this rising, very problematic, temperature. UNCCP noted that current government deadlines were totally insufficient to solve the problem. CO 2 must be capped by 2025! Methane is another greenhouse gas of concern, with some maintaining it contributes more to the problem than CO2. The extent of involvement in the greenhouse effect of water vapour is somewhat controversial.
Also, it has now become necessary to add in the process of CO 2 “removal”, along with “eliminating” the spewing of greenhouse gases into our atmosphere by human activity.
Our window of opportunity is fast closing.
The Large Picture Solutions
Can we come up with at least one viable suggestion of some impressive, radical thing that might wake up the public, that we could then put out there to other concerned climate activists?
Negative “Natural” Climate Change
This thread has had a number of CT'ers arguing for Natural Climate Change, and arguing that the human economic activity contribution to negative climate change is negligible. We are just in one of Nature's long warming cycles.
We would encourage everyone to consider the materials being presented, and then see whether they in any way change your perspective, if you are an adherent of negative Anthropogenic climate change. Whether you change anything, or not, your assessment of the evidence would be most welcome in this thread.
CT'ers' Local Actions on Climate Change
You can do something! When you like one of this thread's links on an aspect of climate change, spread the news by posting it to your social media accounts and other Websites/Discussion Boards you participate in!
~ Bob (T-S/P)
It would really be helpful if you would enumerate a few of the actions which you think the people of this world should be taking on this issue.
Thanks.Comment
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Hi Dilip:
1. Transitioning to "Green Energy" as fast as possible; subsidies can be obtained by removing them from the Oil/Gas Industry. Yes the oil/gas industry must be shut down, regardless of the capitalistic profit pressure; leave it in the ground; retrain the oil/gas workers.
2. Encourage development of natural carbon sink traps (Such as trees, etc.). Start winding down ranching in areas where the power of the wealthy ranchers is out-battling our need to save rain forests and old growth forests. Stop the clear cutting.
3. Encourage the development of air/atmospheric "CO2 Removal" technology.
4. Do NOT go into geo-engineering to combat climate change; the consequences are impossible for us to foresee at the moment; don't take the risk.
5. Change to a sustainable economy. Capitalism is unsustainable in the long run - it requires built-in obsolescence and is therefore wasteful of natural resources, which, though available in Canada, are not endless, and we may desperately start running short of them in some areas in the future. Capitalism is really a Ponzi scheme that has survived a long time....but a day of reckoning is coming.
6. The residents of Earth must adopt a lifestyle that is sustainable.......this means necessities, with modest extras. Inequality will be one of the main drivers of civil violence. The difference between the 1%, and the bottom 50% of the residents of the planet should make every human throw up. It desperately needs to be addressed, or we are heading into a dystopian world.
~ Bob A (T-S/P)Comment
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Negative Anthropogenic Climate Change (NACC)
The Ominous Warming of Earth
The Secretary-General, António Guterres, who came to the job after, among other things, serving as the Prime Minister of Portugal:
- delivered his annual report on priorities (Start of Feb., 2023) — a kind of State of the Planet address.
- in a sentence typed in bold in the official transcript, “We must end the merciless, relentless, senseless war on nature.” That war, he continues, “is putting our world at immediate risk of hurtling past the 1.5-degree temperature increase limit and now still moving towards a deadly 2.8 degrees.” Hence:
We need disruption to end the destruction.
No more baby steps.
No more excuses.
No more greenwashing.
No more bottomless greed of the fossil fuel industry and its enablers.
He continues in the same vein, ending with this excoriation of the fossil-fuel industry, which has enjoyed record returns, in large part because of the war in Ukraine:
I have a special message for fossil-fuel producers and their enablers scrambling to expand production and raking in monster profits: If you cannot set a credible course for net-zero, with 2025 and 2030 targets covering all your operations, you should not be in business.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily...-fuel-industry
~ Bob A (T-S/P)Comment
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Who cares what this member of the Genocidal WEF has to say? Bob, are you fucking kidding me?Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
I common effect of multiple Jabs is early senility from prion-based diseases, Alzheimer's, etc. I hope that is not the case here.
https://www.cureus.com/articles/1298...transaction#!/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/antonio-guterres
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Let us look at these one by one:Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
1. Transitioning to 'Green Energy', like to anything new, has to be done with enough time to assess what is happening, the reasons being the same as in your point number four. As for the oil/gas/coal industries, the increase in production is only the result of the demand for it... instead of wrongly blaming the industry, at least stop cheering those who waste energy, including our politicians (who go on national bus and air tours just to shake hands with potential voters). The common man hardly over-uses energy...
2. Ranchers exist because of the demand for animals... becoming vegan is something worthwhile, but if we do not, it is wrong to blame ranchers; when we will turn into vegans, ranchers will cease to exist...
3. Agree. Lots of people are already working to develop this technology.
4. Agree.
5. Agree. Capitalism needs to be replaced by Libertarianism...
6. Please do not threaten violence as the way out of our mess. It ends up being bad for all involved. Instead, peacefully bring in Libertarianism!
So, Bob, there is nothing you or I can do, except perhaps becoming Vegan and promoting Libertarianism. Would you like to concentrate on these two, rather than being vague about what the common man has to do, to prepare for the possibility of climate change?Comment
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Sorry Dilip........didn't think I was "being vague about what the common man has to do".
In fact, whether one disagrees with it or not, it is a good executive summary, IMHO.
And........no.........I won't exchange my Democratic Marxist race horse, for your Libertarian nag.
~ Bob A (T-S/P)Comment
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I thought it was a good executive summary as well.Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
Not that I agree 100% with all points, but so what.
Dilip is very negative on transitioning to Green Energy. Fortunately there are many who are working on this and making significant progress over the past 2 or 3 decades. Maybe this video will provide a more positive outlook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZC...hangingClimate
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Negative Anthropogenic Climate Change (NACC)
The Warming Earth/Air/Atmosphere
Americas - USA
"Parts of the South and Southeast are seeing their earliest spring on record this year, with leaves already budding on trees as much as three weeks early. Other parts of the South and Southeast are seeing their earliest spring in 40 years. Contrast that with southern Arizona, where they are seeing their latest start to spring in 40 years."
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/13/weath...=1676374240670
~ Bob A (T-S/P)Comment
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Climate change is not measured in days or seasons, years or decades. It is measured over hundreds if not thousands of years. Still waiting for YOUR explanation that you promised. .5 degrees every 100 years with or without CO2 emissions.Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Tuesday, 14th February, 2023, 02:55 PM.Comment
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What else are you suggesting that the common Canadian (who is currently using the least energy he can get by with, given its cost) can do besides becoming a vegan, for climate change? The rest of your lengthy posts do not really suggest any other actions... that is why I call them vague...Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View PostComment
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Bob G,Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
Suggesting that we proceed with green transitioning only under careful assessments/monitoring for unforeseen effects is not being negative about it.
Putting words in others' mouth is not what chesstalk posts should be about, right?Comment
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