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As usual, Paragat, you are talking out of your asshole. In Canada, food banks are privately funded, and almost two million Canadians now rely on them up an astounding 78% from 2019.
That is 5% of Canadians (!). What fucking dream world do you live in to think that Governments are so benevolent? The Inquiry Canada Report has released its final report today. It is more than 5000 pages showing that covid was a mass gov assault against people, causing death and injury via irresponsible, reckless, and anti-scientific forced policy .https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/c...ioners-report/. Between this and Carbon Taxes for a non existent climate emergency the Government is responsible for mass democide and now starving its own citizens if not for privately funded food banks.
And as usual Sid, you don't even bother to read what others write. I wasn't referring to Canada, SNAP is a U.S. federal government program. You live in the U.S., don't you? That' s the "dream world" where government is so benevolent, maybe you should learn about it before you post nonsense. And then read how the GOP wants to eliminate or drastically reduce SNAP.
Really, you are worried about starving kids? What are you doing against the GOP agenda to starve kids in USA?
And even in Canada, the federal government is involved in food bank funding (although admittedly maybe not enough), maybe you should read these:
And finally, even when you mention "privately funded" what we are really talking about is non-profits and charitable organizations. So in essence the money is mostly coming from donations from residents. If a corporation makes a donation, they are sure to let the public know about it FOR MARKETING PURPOSES.
It's almost Christmas, Sid, maybe you should read A Christmas Carol again .... or for the first time. You know, you remind you of the normal mindset of business owners.
Last edited by Pargat Perrer; Thursday, 30th November, 2023, 06:36 AM.
LOL now Dilip is resorting to unsupported statements in a desperate attempt to hold something together for his biased viewpoint.
No public corporation would fund something like the U.S. Federal government's SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program). SNAP provides food benefits to low-income families to supplement their grocery budget and support their health and well-being. Would a private corporation even CARE about such a thing? Not on your life, what profit could there be?
So in the case of SNAP (and many other cases besides), someone saying "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is a lifesaver. Reagan must be rolling in his grave that his GOP is AGAINST health and nutrition for low-income families ... low-income because of massive corporate profiteering in the good old USA.
Libertarianism sucks.
As usual, Paragat, you are talking out of your asshole. In Canada, food banks are privately funded, and almost two million Canadians now rely on them up an astounding 78% from 2019.
That is 5% of Canadians (!). What fucking dream world do you live in to think that Governments are so benevolent? The Inquiry Canada Report has released its final report today. It is more than 5000 pages showing that covid was a mass gov assault against people, causing death and injury via irresponsible, reckless, and anti-scientific forced policy .https://nationalcitizensinquiry.ca/c...ioners-report/. Between this and Carbon Taxes for a non existent climate emergency the Government is responsible for mass democide and now starving its own citizens if not for privately funded food banks.
Almost all government-run projects 'fail' in the sense that the money initially reasonably allotted to them is never enough, and invariably prematurely runs out, sometimes even before the project really gets going, and the projects which could have been done efficiently by private corporations end up becoming an unnecessarily big burden on the society... As Reagan so wisely said: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help,"
LOL now Dilip is resorting to unsupported statements in a desperate attempt to hold something together for his biased viewpoint.
No public corporation would fund something like the U.S. Federal government's SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program). SNAP provides food benefits to low-income families to supplement their grocery budget and support their health and well-being. Would a private corporation even CARE about such a thing? Not on your life, what profit could there be?
So in the case of SNAP (and many other cases besides), someone saying "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is a lifesaver. Reagan must be rolling in his grave that his GOP is AGAINST health and nutrition for low-income families ... low-income because of massive corporate profiteering in the good old USA.
Without Nitrogen Fertiliser, 75% Of Global Population Will Die Of Starvation
“We are all going to die of hunger.”
Unelected globalists at the UN and elsewhere are hell-bent on banning nitrogen fertiliser, without which—according to Time Magazine “Hero of the Environment”, Michael Shellenberger—75% of the global population would die of mass starvation.
Once again, Dilip demonstrates his simplistic thinking that ignores simple facts. If everyone on the planet suddenly had a bonus of $1,000 U.S. worth of spending money they didn't have before, the resulting surge in spending would MULTIPLY through the world economy. Dilip simply doesn't realize how the economy works.
However, I agree that giving out $1,000 to everyone is not the best solution. As if we don't have enough inflation already....
The same guy who says U.S. President Ronald Reagan expanded the U.S. military during his term to successfully contain the USSR now says "all government projects disappear either before they get started or soon after they have had some chaotic life".
The U.S. military IS a government-run project, and even Dilip acknowledges it has brought many benefis to the USA.
I wonder if Dilip has ever driven on the U.S. interstate highway system. Federal U.S. government project. The Trans Canada Highway is a joint project of all of Canada's provincial governments through which it runs.
Poof! There goes his argument up in smoke. But if you want more evidence against his foolishness, read this:
Yes, some government projects do fail. But of course, it would be remiss to go without mentioning some of the gigantic CORPORATE boondoggles over the past many decades. Enron, Lehman Brothers, Worldcom, General Motors (bailed out), Chrysler (bailed out)... the list could go on and on. And that's just corporate bankruptcies, there are also the corporate activities that also fell apart without resulting in bankruptcies: BP oil leaks in the Gulf of Mexico, Exxon oil spill in Alaska just to name a few related to the fossil fuel industry.
Almost all government-run projects 'fail' in the sense that the money initially reasonably allotted to them is never enough, and invariably prematurely runs out, sometimes even before the project really gets going, and the projects which could have been done efficiently by private corporations end up becoming an unnecessarily big burden on the society... As Reagan so wisely said: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help,"
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Tuesday, 28th November, 2023, 06:48 AM.
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It seems that this new non-chess topic has hit an interest point(it is already at the no. of views per day of our 2 last active threads, Human Self-Government, and, Negative climate change)....good on the initiator, Bob Gillanders (I started the thread for him).
Civilizations do not collapse overnight........there is a long, steady, continuous deterioration before hand. Then, all of a sudden, the tipping point has been reached, and we get metamorphosis (Like caterpillar to butterfly, only in reverse!). Either Dystopia, or a new empire rising like the Sphinx from the ashes, sometimes worse than the one it replaces.
Do we care who is going to be in control, as humans battle to survive in an environment more and more hostile to their continued existence (Negative Climate Change; Possible Nuclear War; Pandemics; etc.)? The very collapse of our civilization is on the horizon!
B. Indicia of a Collapsing Civilization
Comment below on what the current evidence is that our world's civilization is now collapsing......we'll add some of your ideas here!
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1. The goal of this thread is not to woodshed an opposing view into submission. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide.
2. I personally, as the thread originator (After an initiative by Bob Gillanders), am trying to post a new response at least twice per week, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is going to be necessary that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.
Hey Bob G,
If we impose your billionaire's tax on each and every billionaire on this planet, we would collect enough money to distribute about a thousand dollars to each and every human inhabitant in this world, which would last them about a few days to a few months.
Once again, Dilip demonstrates his simplistic thinking that ignores simple facts. If everyone on the planet suddenly had a bonus of $1,000 U.S. worth of spending money they didn't have before, the resulting surge in spending would MULTIPLY through the world economy. Dilip simply doesn't realize how the economy works.
However, I agree that giving out $1,000 to everyone is not the best solution. As if we don't have enough inflation already....
Instead, if we entrusted all that money to the governments to run some grandiose projects "to save civilization from collapse", the money is likely to disappear even before those projects get started, or at best, soon after they have had some chaotic life (like all government run projects do)... And of course none of the billionaires may work hard to accumulate more than their billion ever again...
The same guy who says U.S. President Ronald Reagan expanded the U.S. military during his term to successfully contain the USSR now says "all government projects disappear either before they get started or soon after they have had some chaotic life".
The U.S. military IS a government-run project, and even Dilip acknowledges it has brought many benefis to the USA.
I wonder if Dilip has ever driven on the U.S. interstate highway system. Federal U.S. government project. The Trans Canada Highway is a joint project of all of Canada's provincial governments through which it runs.
Poof! There goes his argument up in smoke. But if you want more evidence against his foolishness, read this:
Yes, some government projects do fail. But of course, it would be remiss to go without mentioning some of the gigantic CORPORATE boondoggles over the past many decades. Enron, Lehman Brothers, Worldcom, General Motors (bailed out), Chrysler (bailed out)... the list could go on and on. And that's just corporate bankruptcies, there are also the corporate activities that also fell apart without resulting in bankruptcies: BP oil leaks in the Gulf of Mexico, Exxon oil spill in Alaska just to name a few related to the fossil fuel industry.
Vlad, that’s a bit creepy. You want to give my underwear to the homeless?
There are approximately 3 thousand billionaires globally. I don’t believe any of them are in my family or circle of friends, but I am sure many of them are warm and generous people. Research shows that most people are by nature generous, and that greed is more of a learned trait. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule.
Ever since Reagan’s “government is the enemy” and “trickle-down economics”, bankers, lawyers, and accountants have been busy reducing taxes for the wealthy. Then globalization tipped the scales against government tax authorities, easy movement of wealth to more friendly tax jurisdictions, all legal and applauded by Wall Street. “Greed is good” I believe was the catch phrase. Who could resist?
So yes Vlad, at this time my billionaire tax is not feasible. I have acknowledged that in previous posts (in other threads). Perhaps it could be phased-in, but I wanted to introduce the concept of “enough is enough”, that there should be a point at which you focus on something other than just more money. Helping others, or just enjoying your wealth.
Taxation is not theft. This is a silly thing to say. Unless you want government to just print the money required, we should all acknowledge taxation is necessary to pay for government services. What is needed or desired is a different debate.
Let’s look more closely at my billionaire tax. It is literally “a billion $’s” from the socialist scheme you assign it. The tax is above and beyond all other taxes, but only affects those who have wealth exceeding $1,000,000,000.
If your wealth is $ 999,000,000 you pay zero. If your wealth is $ 1,000,000,001 you pay $1.
So, billionaires can keep a billion dollars forever. Earning say 5%, they have $ 50,000,000 spending money per year. Now if they spend only $ 49,999,900, there will be a tax bill of $100. But here is the genius part: buy underwear for that homeless guy and pay no tax.
Hey Bob G,
If we impose your billionaire's tax on each and every billionaire on this planet, we would collect enough money to distribute about a thousand dollars to each and every human inhabitant in this world, which would last them about a few days to a few months. Instead, if we entrusted all that money to the governments to run some grandiose projects "to save civilization from collapse", the money is likely to disappear even before those projects get started, or at best, soon after they have had some chaotic life (like all government run projects do)... And of course none of the billionaires may work hard to accumulate more than their billion ever again...
President of the European Central Bank, Christine Lagarde, announces the launch of the EU's central bank digital currency (CBDC)—the digital euro—which will enable unelected technocrats at the ECB to program how, when, where, on what and by whom it can be spent, including the imposition of social credit, carbon allowance and vaccine passport systems. And despite the lie that "cash is here to stay", you can be absolutely certain that megalomaniacal technocrats such as Lagarde have every intention of gradually phasing out cash altogether, so eventually people will be forced to use CBDCs whether they like it or not.
"The United Nations' Net Zero plan involves killing the environment to save it." Australian senator, Malcolm Roberts, exposes the utterly insane and unnecessary nature of Net Zero, in the Australian parliament. "CO2 makes up just 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere. Human beings are responsible for just 3% of the annual production of CO2... Yet the Net Zero advocates tell us that if we take a fraction of our CO2 and pay an oil drilling company to dump it in the ocean by injecting it under the seabed, we can save the world... Obviously, it's a bloody lie. "Australia must ditch the United Nations/World Economic Forum Net Zero pipe dream, and all of its insane requirements."
I am just soundly advising about future reality based on my life experience. I, in a sense, wish him well, IF he CAN improve Argentina. I really doubt it.
But even if he can, it is my position that Democratic Marxism would do better..........but, as of yet, the world, it seems, does not agree.........
Rather I think it is we are the new kid on the block (Only one DM Party that I am aware of, in the world, in the province of Ontario, Canada, and it is not yet formally registered for the upcoming provincial election; the 44th Ontario general election is tentatively scheduled to be held on June 4, 2026. As of December 2016, Ontario elections are held on the first Thursday in June in the fourth calendar year following the previous general election,[1] unless the Legislative Assembly of Ontario is dissolved earlier by the Lieutenant Governor of Ontario due to a motion of no confidence. Such a dissolution is unlikely as the current government has a majority: Wikipedia).
DMO also needs now a political marketing strategy so it can be registered - need signed petition in support.
In Argentina - a President-elect of the Libertarian Party!
Libertarian Capitalism will be much worse than Democratic Capitalism (Which we all know has fallen woefully short on equality and equality of opportunity over all the generations). And, if he is a "Natural Law" Libertarian, like Dilip, watch the chaos (And all the Canadian lawyers trying to get Argentinian Permanent Residence)!
Bob A
Bob A,
Doesn't look good on you as you are desperately hoping for the worst. Instead, go there to enjoy true freedom, even though you may not earn as a lawyer, if stupid contradictory laws are gotton rid off, and you may not find Marxist democrats suing an ex-president about to win a re-election, for telling his bankers that he thinks his property is worth many many millions, but they should do their due diligence anyway...
In Argentina - a President-elect of the Libertarian Party!
Libertarian Capitalism will be much worse than Democratic Capitalism (Which we all know has fallen woefully short on equality and equality of opportunity over all the generations). And, if he is a "Natural Law" Libertarian, like Dilip, watch the chaos (And all the Canadian lawyers trying to get Argentinian Permanent Residence)!
Democratic Capitalism clearly (Just look around) does NOT work, and hasn't for a long time..........consider the goal it has of necessarily widening the wealth/income gap!
Any kind of Socialism (Except old USSR-style Communism) would work better (Clearly NOT saying it would be perfect - we have human institutions.....always flawed).
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