Collapse of Civilization

[Dilip Panjwani]

Your focus is on Canadian food banks, but you deliberately obfuscate by including charitable and not-for-profits in the realm of "private sector" ....


Canadian food banks! Run by charitable and not-for-profits!

And who provides the bulk of funds (donations) for the day to day expenses of these charitable and not-for-profits? The private sector/generous private individuals, of course! And the folks 'owning' these charitables/not-for-profits (for very little, if any, investment of their own money) could very well be drawing handsome salaries instead of profits...

[Sid Belzberg]

If masks did zero to stop transmission, the proof would be out there, and people would stop wearing them.

Sigh, who needs Google? Paragat seems to think he knows fucking everything. Time to take your meds, Paul. Oh and don't forget to take your 9th booster and
keep wearing those masks tight around your face and nose 24/7.

Hot Off the Press: Masks Don't Work

A Cochrane Database Systematic Review


Dr. Byram W. Bridle



Here is one of the main take-home messages from the paper...
"Wearing masks [medical/surgical] in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory‐confirmed influenza/SARS‐CoV‐2 compared to not wearing masks"

Even in the context of N95/P2 respirators, this is what the authors concluded…
There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr...6207.pub6/full




https://drtrozzi.org/2021/04/03/masks-cause-harm/


We hope you find the above very short video by Chris Schaefer enlightening. He clearly demonstrates how the current mask ill-practice is hazardous to the mindfulness and health of the people. Why then are such poor, dangerous, and ineffective practices being mandated by world governments and corporate bodies?

Your calling me Paul Bonham says all I need to know about your credibility. Obama and Biden think a lot alike, are they the same person? Probably to you, another of your conspiracy theories... LOL

Here is Paul as a newly registered chess.com member shilling as "Parget Perrer" for the sole purpose of calling attention to his (Paul Bonham's mention on Chessbase) of variants that included his stupid option chess variant that had just been published on Chessbase at the time.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/che...n-chessbasecom



https://en.chessbase.com/post/option...by-paul-bonham
By the way, that Paul emailed me about raising money for one of his variants. You see, for Paul, it's ok to have a business that turns a profit as long as he is somehow the beneficiary of it. For all other business owners, it's a cardinal sin!

[Dilip Panjwani]

...little Libertarian schoolgirls holding hands and skipping down the street together.

What the hell do you have against little schoolgirls? They are better persons than you are. STOP exposing your deep-rooted misogyny, which you have done again and again, on chesstalk.

[Pargat Perrer]

This allegation is not only baseless but also derails any quality discussion. That comes as no surprise from a nasty troll. Let me set the record straight: at no point have I advocated for or referenced a libertarian economic system. Your attempt to skew the discussion towards my support of this topic is perplexing, if not a deliberate misrepresentation of my argument.

You have been agreeing with many of Dilip's statements here on Libertarianism. You even now copy his trademark "nasty troll" term ... the two of you are like little Libertarian schoolgirls holding hands and skipping down the street together.

My focus has been on the real-world example of Canadian food banks, a topic evidently too practical for your theoretical detours.

I would appreciate it if you could stick to the facts at hand and not fabricate positions I have not taken. You have done this countless times both as Paragatt and previously as Paul Bonham. This discussion deserves better than unfounded accusations and ideological grandstanding. This conversation you and I had is about the role of governments in social welfare, in particular, feeding people.

The record in Canada is horrific. The only true effort both in Canada and the US and in "democratically elected" WEF/CCP-controlled Western governments worldwide was attacking us with an easily treatable virus, claiming it can't be treated, murdering tens of thousands of elderly from medical malpractice ....

Your focus is on Canadian food banks, but you deliberately obfuscate by including charitable and not-for-profits in the realm of "private sector" ....

and now you immediately DIGRESS into pandemic policy! Hello! Focus please!

Canadian food banks! Run by charitable and not-for-profits! Not run by for-profits! Not run by the "private sector"!!!!! Total misrepresentation from you, exactly the tactics you moan against from governments and WEF!!!!! YOU ARE GUILTY OF HYPOCRISY!!!!!!

And for-profits like Walmart and other grocers give their UNSELLABLE foods to food banks, and you COMMEND them for doing this! As if they are going out of their way to help the hungry! LOL

I call BS on you and your pathetic misrepresentations and now your pathetic diversion to pandemic policy!

Your calling me Paul Bonham says all I need to know about your credibility. Obama and Biden think a lot alike, are they the same person? Probably to you, another of your conspiracy theories... LOL

The best was your insistence on wearing masks that do ZERO to stop transmission and simply collect bacteria and very quickly fill up with 25000 PPM of CO2 in the space between the mask and your mouth (the level at which ppm of co2 is dangerous is 5000 PPM). When I pointed this out early on in the scamdemic you accused me of some sort of plot to discourage people not to wear masks so that they get sick.
Please take your tenth injection and tightly weave three masks over your filthy mouth. We can't fix stupid lemmings!
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If masks did zero to stop transmission, the proof would be out there and people would stop wearing them. Your statement is BOGUS.

[Dilip Panjwani]

Bob, Marxism is not medicine, but poison (and I have explained to you why, to which you do not have any valid defense) ... you perhaps sub-consciously meant: they will go for euthanasia?

Not to be too hard on you, Bob A, your Marxist principle that individuals getting what they need should take precedence over getting what they deserve, does work very well within families, and it would go farthest outside the family in a circles within circles set-up. The important point is that it should be voluntary, and not imposed upon, not even with a democratic vote... we do not want interactions that are gestures of love and kindness to be turned into legal theft... And please do not fool yourself by hoping that the Marxist principle mentioned above can be practiced between everyone in the world, because as your friend Pargat has indicated, human nature is the overwhelming obstacle to that!

[Sid Belzberg]

And again, I must correct Sid's deliberate obfuscation ... what he calls the "private sector" is actually charitable and not-for-profit entities, which would NOT be the basis of a Libertarian economic system.



Ah yes, good versus evil, excellent.

Perhaps we need a poll on which is more good and less evil: for-profit corporations vs democratically-elected governments. Dictatorships are excluded from the government category, and charitable and not-for-profits would be excluded from the corporation category.

And again, I must correct Sid's deliberate obfuscation ... what he calls the "private sector" is actually charitable and not-for-profit entities, which would NOT be the basis of a Libertarian economic system.

deliberate obfuscation

This allegation is not only baseless but also derails any quality discussion. That comes as no surprise from a nasty troll. Let me set the record straight: at no point have I advocated for or referenced a libertarian economic system. Your attempt to skew the discussion towards my support of this topic is perplexing, if not a deliberate misrepresentation of my argument. My focus has been on the real-world example of Canadian food banks, a topic evidently too practical for your theoretical detours.

I would appreciate it if you could stick to the facts at hand and not fabricate positions I have not taken. You have done this countless times both as Paragatt and previously as Paul Bonham. This discussion deserves better than unfounded accusations and ideological grandstanding. This conversation you and I had is about the role of governments in social welfare, in particular, feeding people.

The record in Canada is horrific. The only true effort both in Canada and the US and in "democratically elected" WEF/CCP-controlled Western governments worldwide was attacking us with an easily treatable virus, claiming it can't be treated, murdering tens of thousands of elderly from medical malpractice so that all roads lead to mass injection of a slow kill bioweapon. Of course, you immediately injected yourself with this and then cried like a baby when you can't get adequate care at Canadian hospitals that have in fact become killing fields for anyone over 65.

The best was your insistence on wearing masks that do ZERO to stop transmission and simply collect bacteria and very quickly fill up with 25000 PPM of CO2 in the space between the mask and your mouth (the level at which ppm of co2 is dangerous is 5000 PPM). When I pointed this out early on in the scamdemic you accused me of some sort of plot to discourage people not to wear masks so that they get sick.
Please take your tenth injection and tightly weave three masks over your filthy mouth. We can't fix stupid lemmings!

[Dilip Panjwani]

In the future, I predict that Canadians will jump from Democratic Capitalism, directly to Democratic Marxism (They will skip the normal preparatory steps of first social democracy, and then democratic socialism). They will decide strong medicine is required, and no use taking baby steps.

Bob A

Bob, Marxism is not medicine, but poison (and I have explained to you why, to which you do not have any valid defense) ... you perhaps sub-consciously meant: they will go for euthanasia?

[Pargat Perrer]

As originally stated, this large swath of Canadians being fed is no thanks to the Federal government. You stated that the private sector would never undertake programs like SNAP, but indeed, that is what was achieved in Canada, where our genocidal government could not be relied upon to help. Communism/socialism ruins everything, and historically it always has. You pointed out the SNAP program in the US, which is a disaster. They do not attempt to limit what the food stamps can purchase, and yes, it includes potato chips, sugared drinks, etc. Also, fraud has been rife in this program, as pointed out earlier.

And again, I must correct Sid's deliberate obfuscation ... what he calls the "private sector" is actually charitable and not-for-profit entities, which would NOT be the basis of a Libertarian economic system.

So the struggle here is not left versus right but good versus evil. What we have seen in the last century is a partnership between corporations and Governments and unelected Non-Governmental Organizations.
The result is a massively corrupted authoritarian medical-political complex with undo influence wielded through NGOs. Historically I have never heard of a government that does a good job in much of anything other than murdering its own citizens abusing their trust, and finding ingenious ways to siphon off money for themselves.

Ah yes, good versus evil, excellent.

Perhaps we need a poll on which is more good and less evil: for-profit corporations vs democratically-elected governments. Dictatorships are excluded from the government category, and charitable and not-for-profits would be excluded from the corporation category.

[Bob Armstrong]

My answer is somewhat more nuanced than Dilip's explanation.

I said the NDP was social democratic - it dropped "socialism" in the process of forming the "new party". I said NDP would never morph into a Democratic Marxist Party of Canada.

But the Provinces, and municipalities, have in Canada's past, elected "socialist parties".

In the future, I predict that Canadians will jump from Democratic Capitalism, directly to Democratic Marxism (They will skip the normal preparatory steps of first social democracy, and then democratic socialism). They will decide strong medicine is required, and no use taking baby steps.

Bob A

[Dilip Panjwani]

Hey Bob A, if the NDP were to adopt full scale Marxism in its desires, would you say that the Canadian system fits your vision of a DM society?

Bob has responded in a way to this under the NWO thread... he is however very careful not to admit that even if the NDP turns Marxist, making Canada eligible for DM, the chances of Canadians embracing DM are zero in the foreseeable future: Vive Le Canada!!

[Dilip Panjwani]

'Tis true I fear - I am the one currently writing DM policy, to my knowledge.

I imagine I am quite under the radar, and if others are also beavering away on this new kind of socialism, they have not so advised me.

Majority views come out of minority views.


Bob A

Hey Bob A, if the NDP were to adopt full scale Marxism in its desires, would you say that the Canadian system fits your vision of a DM society?

[Bob Armstrong]

'Tis true I fear - I am the one currently writing DM policy, to my knowledge.

I imagine I am quite under the radar, and if others are also beavering away on this new kind of socialism, they have not so advised me.

Majority views come out of minority views.


Bob A

[Sid Belzberg]

Chile - 1970-3 - A "Socialist" Government - President Dr. Salvadore Allende

Chile did seek help from a USSR Communist Government. There was no alternative. USA and the West were trying to collapse the Chilean economy.

But Allende was not a "Communist". He ran 3 times for President as the "Socialist" he always was. His Unity Government included the USSR style Chilean Communist Party, but the Unity Government was in fact "Socialist", not 'Communist".

The style of the Chilean Unity Government is the closest an elected government has come to implementing what are now considered basic Democratic Marxist principles.

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

Bob, every Marxist pretends that "this time it will be different," but they are crypto-USSR-style thugs. That was not only his sole trip to the USSR. He was closely involved with them from the start. And the USA was not going to have another Cuba on their doorstep. Chile was a proxy of the USSR period. Maybe instead of spreading propaganda, you should do your due diligence and study the true history of Allende. He was another USSR thug!
Yes, stealing what is not yours (copper mines) under the blanket of "nationalization" has disastrous consequences, and so it should.
Good luck with the abolition of private property no wonder there is only one DM in the world, YOU!

[Bob Armstrong]

Chile - 1970-3 - A "Socialist" Government - President Dr. Salvadore Allende

Chile did seek help from a USSR Communist Government. There was no alternative. USA and the West were trying to collapse the Chilean economy.

But Allende was not a "Communist". He ran 3 times for President as the "Socialist" he always was. His Unity Government included the USSR style Chilean Communist Party, but the Unity Government was in fact "Socialist", not 'Communist".

The style of the Chilean Unity Government is the closest an elected government has come to implementing what are now considered basic Democratic Marxist principles.

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

[Dilip Panjwani]

Life is balancing the "Sweat" with the "Fun"!

There is a saying: All work makes Jack a dull boy!

Bob A

All fun and no sweat makes Jack a begging pauper...
And Marxism hiding under the garb of democracy will also make your nation a begging pauper...