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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Non-Communist Socialism

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    Many people, when analyzing "socialism" only look at old USSR-type Communism - Vlad: Inevitably....."MURDER & HUNGER"; Dilip: "DESTRUCTIVE...socialism.

    I won't say they have never heard of Francois Mitterand. Unfortunately, I feel the right deliberately, and with malfeasance, ghosts him when discussing "socialism" and its "inevitable" horrors.

    I'd like to present the TRUTH about non-communist socialism:

    Wikipedia

    François Marie Adrien Maurice Mitterrand[a] (26 October 1916 – 8 January 1996) was a French politician and the President of France from 1981 to 1995, and the longest holder of that position in the history of France. As First Secretary of the Socialist Party, he was the first left-wing politician to assume the presidency under the Fifth Republic.

    Due to family influences, Mitterrand started his political life on the Catholic nationalist right. He served under the Vichy regime during its earlier years. Subsequently he joined the Resistance, moved to the left, and held ministerial office several times under the Fourth Republic. Mitterrand opposed Charles de Gaulle's establishment of the Fifth Republic. Although at times a politically isolated figure, he outmanoeuvered rivals to become the left's standard bearer in the 1965 and 1974 presidential elections, before being elected president in the 1981 presidential election. He was re-elected in 1988 and remained in office until 1995.

    I'd also put into the hopper of TRUTH about non-communist socialism: Chile

    Salvador Guillermo Allende Gossens (US: /ɑːˈjɛndeɪ, -di/ ah-YEND-ay, -⁠ee,[1][2]UK: /æˈ-, aɪˈɛn-/,[3]Latin American Spanish: [salβaˈðoɾ ɣiˈʝeɾmo aˈʝende ˈɣosens]; 26 June 1908 – 11 September 1973) was a socialist politician,[4][5] who served as the 28th president of Chile from 1970 until his death in 1973.[6] As a democratic socialist committed to democracy,[7][8] he has been described as the first Marxist to be elected president in a liberal democracy in Latin America.[9][10][11]

    Allende's involvement in Chilean politics spanned a period of nearly forty years, during which he held various positions including senator, deputy, and cabinet minister. As a life-long committed member of the Socialist Party of Chile, whose foundation he had actively contributed to, he unsuccessfully ran for the national presidency in the 1952, 1958, and 1964 elections. In 1970, he won the presidency as the candidate of the Popular Unity coalition in a close three-way race. He was elected in a run-off by Congress, as no candidate had gained a majority. In office, Allende pursued a policy he called "The Chilean Way to Socialism". The coalition government was far from unanimous. Allende said that he was committed to democracy and represented the more moderate faction of the Socialist Party, while the radical wing sought a more radical course. Instead, the Communist Party of Chile favored a gradual and cautious approach that sought cooperation with Christian democrats,[7] which proved influential for the Italian Communist Party and the Historic Compromise.[12]

    As president, Allende sought to nationalize major industries, expand education, and improve the living standards of the working class. He clashed with the right-wing parties that controlled Congress and with the judiciary. On 11 September 1973, the military moved to oust Allende in a coup d'état supported by the CIA, which initially denied the allegations.[13][14] In 2000, the CIA admitted its role in the 1970 kidnapping of General René Schneider who had refused to use the army to stop Allende's inauguration.[15][16] Declassified documents released in 2023 showed that US president Richard Nixon, his national security advisor Henry Kissinger, and the United States government, which had branded Allende as a dangerous communist,[8] were aware of the military's plans to overthrow Allende's democratically-elected government in the days before the coup d'état.[17]

    As troops surrounded La Moneda Palace, Allende gave his last speech vowing not to resign.[18] Later that day, Allende died by suicide in his office;[19][20][21] the exact circumstances of his death are still disputed.[22][A] Following Allende's death, General Augusto Pinochet refused to return authority to a civilian government, and Chile was later ruled by the Government Junta, ending more than four decades of uninterrupted democratic governance, a period known as the Presidential Republic (1925–1973); the military dictatorship of Pinochet only ended after the successful internationally-backed 1989 constitutional referendum led to the peaceful Chilean transition to democracy. The military junta that took over dissolved Congress, suspended the Constitution of 1925, and initiated a program of persecuting alleged dissidents, in which at least 3,095 civilians disappeared or were killed.[24]

    Wikipedia

    Who is committing MURDER????????????

    Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

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  • Dilip Panjwani
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    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

    I hadn't thought of it that way but you should really consider more deeply about what you are advocating for. Marxism and socialism inevitably leads to murder and hunger. It always has and always will. It also seems to lead to anti-Semitism because you have to have someone to blame when things don't go as planned.
    Hi Vlad,
    The clamor for destructive Marxism/Socialism arises out of a disdain for Plutocracy, while Libertarianism constructively prevents Capitalism from degenerating into Plutocracy... (Capital is meant to be enjoyed, and not used to acquire power over others)
    Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Sunday, 17th December, 2023, 12:28 AM.

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  • Vlad Drkulec
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Hey Vlad:

    I'm part of a "very limited readership"...........there are two ways of reading this!

    Bob A
    I hadn't thought of it that way but you should really consider more deeply about what you are advocating for. Marxism and socialism inevitably leads to murder and hunger. It always has and always will. It also seems to lead to anti-Semitism because you have to have someone to blame when things don't go as planned.

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    The collapse of civilization has begun with the greatest violation of medical ethics in history.

    Dr. James A. Thorpe, MD, a board-certified maternal-fetal medicine specialist, discusses the circumstances surrounding his recent firing from SSM Health. I delve into the alarming findings of a study comparing the outcomes of COVID-19 vaccines with the influenza vaccine, revealing a significant increase in menstrual abnormalities, miscarriages, and fetal death rates. These findings, backed by multiple independent sources, raise serious concerns about the safety and ethics of the global push for COVID-19 vaccines.

    https://www.loom.com/share/ba98cb95f...8-a1b4d009857b
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  • Pargat Perrer
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    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec
    .... Think how empty a life must be to spend time trolling on the non-chess discussion sub-forum on a chess forum with very limited readership.



    Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post

    That is EXACTLY what comes to mind when I think of Sid Ballsbag and Dilip Panhandler.

    Their billable hours must be suffering horribly.

    For all their right-wing ideology, they haven't learned that time is money.
    Wow... is it now 3 days that Sid Ballsbag has been absent from this site?

    Either he is licking his wounds while trying to figure out how to recoup monies lost by wasting his valuable (cough! cough!) time on this forum, OR he is frantically searching all over the internet trying to prove I am really Paul Bonham! Maybe he's even hiring a squad to put a hit on me!

    LOL The truth is out there, Sid "Viscious" Ballsbag!

    Meanwhile, Dollop Panhandler (thanks Peter for the first name correction!) is still walking up and down Bay Street with his sandwich board "LIBERTARIANISM OR BUST!" complete with the newest addition, the Argentinian national flag. When people have put enough money in his cup, he goes into the nearest pharmacy for his government-subsidized meds.
    Last edited by Pargat Perrer; Saturday, 16th December, 2023, 05:02 AM.

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Hey Vlad:

    I'm part of a "very limited readership"...........there are two ways of reading this!

    Bob A

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  • Pargat Perrer
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    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
    .... Think how empty a life must be to spend time trolling on the non-chess discussion sub-forum on a chess forum with very limited readership.
    That is EXACTLY what comes to mind when I think of Sid Ballsbag and Dilip Panhandler.

    Their billable hours must be suffering horribly.

    For all their right-wing ideology, they haven't learned that time is money.

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  • Dilip Panjwani
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    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

    The saying, "When you argue with a fool, there are two fools arguing." helps me to tip the balance toward deleting my posts on chesstalk before posting them more often than not. Think how empty a life must be to spend time trolling on the non-chess discussion sub-forum on a chess forum with very limited readership.
    Agree! Your approach is worth adopting...

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  • Vlad Drkulec
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    Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

    Sid,
    Did you see Pargat/Paul's demeaning of the Cochrane Library, one of the most respected sources of information in Medicine? That just illustrates the foolish ignorance he spews in his posts :-)
    The saying, "When you argue with a fool, there are two fools arguing." helps me to tip the balance toward deleting my posts on chesstalk before posting them more often than not. Think how empty a life must be to spend time trolling on the non-chess discussion sub-forum on a chess forum with very limited readership.

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  • Dilip Panjwani
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    Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

    Exactly right Dilip
    Sid,
    Did you see Pargat/Paul's demeaning of the Cochrane Library, one of the most respected sources of information in Medicine? That just illustrates the foolish ignorance he spews in his posts :-)

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  • Pargat Perrer
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    Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

    And who provides the bulk of funds (donations) for the day to day expenses of these charitable and not-for-profits? The private sector/generous private individuals, of course! And the folks 'owning' these charitables/not-for-profits (for very little, if any, investment of their own money) could very well be drawing handsome salaries instead of profits...
    It doesn't matter who donates or doesn't donate ... the real story is that no one will launch a FOR PROFIT company to reduce hunger in North America. Why? Because it can't make a profit. Therefore not worth pursuing FOR LIBERTARIANS.

    Any salaries being drawn by owners of a charitable organization would be a matter of public record, so your point is ridiculous unless you can back it up with the actual records.

    But of course, I am addressing Dilip Panjwani, the man known for posting garbage with no supporting documentation.

    And LOL your post about my mention of schoolgirls .... your baseless accusation of misogyny could be libel if this site actually had decent viewership that would affect my standing. At any rate, it is pathetic low-life bottom-feeding to which you are accustomed.

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  • Pargat Perrer
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    Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

    .... mostly bogus anti-mask BS ....

    Bogus because no credible authority believes it and all over the world, masks are still widely encouraged during flu season .....

    I notice some creative wording in the paper you provided a link to. It said wearing a mask makes little difference "in the outcome of" respiratory diseases like covid, flu etc....

    This wording "in the outcome of" is repeated throughout the paper.

    What it means is, once the person CONTRACTED the disease, the wearing or not wearing the mask made no difference in the outcome.

    Very crafty wording!!!!! It basically ignores the fact that the masks prevent the CONTRACTING of the disease in the first place! The paper says absolutely NOTHING about that. Yes, I believe that wording was created by a Dilip's favorite, a LAWYER.

    Just total BS! No wonder it's on some trivial web site, "The Cochrane Library", I'm not even going to guess who these people are, right wing bigots for sure, not even worthy of mention. Did you really think you could pull that over on people? You must think everyone is an idiot!

    Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
    Here is Paul as a newly registered chess.com member shilling as "Parget Perrer" for the sole purpose of calling attention to his (Paul Bonham's mention on Chessbase) of variants that included his stupid option chess variant that had just been published on Chessbase at the time.
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    https://en.chessbase.com/post/option...by-paul-bonham
    By the way, that Paul emailed me about raising money for one of his variants. You see, for Paul, it's ok to have a business that turns a profit as long as he is somehow the beneficiary of it. For all other business owners, it's a cardinal sin!
    Yes, that was me in 2014 after learning about Mr. Bonham's Option Chess variant, and I put a comment on chess.com about it. But of course, chess players have pretty much a 1-track mind in the sense that once you put years of study and research into classical chess openings and endgames, no variant will do because it defeats your time investment .... so the hope even now is that some enterprising YOUNGER chess players who are tired of endless draws and boring repetitive play will take on new challenges ... much like poker players (my preferred group of pro gamers) are willing to take on many different poker variants, not having such investment of years into one way of playing the game.

    So it was me, so what is your point? Unless you can prove it was actually Paul Bonham posting that comment LOL, your post is a nothingburger. Like just about everything else you post.

    Paul Bonham and I were in regular contact, we both liked chess variants and we both liked poker, and for me at least, that continues. I am no longer in contact with Mr. Bonham since the passing of his wife from muscular dystrophy complications in 2019 (I did meet her around 2014 / 2015 and what a wonderful human being she was, may she RIP).

    I have no idea what you mean about Mr. Bonham's thinking on business. But I know he was extremely intelligent and informed, and I very much doubt your character assassination. Additionally, i still think Option Chess marks a creative revolution in chess when it comes to tackling the domination of computer engines. Perhaps now that this has been revisited, I will look myself at creating some kind of Option Chess engine which would help to answer many of the fascinating possibilities of this variant.... I do find myself with the time now that I could do that. Thanks for reminding me about that. Mr. Bonham was probably working on such an engine when his wife passed. I know he was very devoted to her and I can only guess that her passing was devasting to him.



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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Collapse of Civilization
    (Started: 23/10/30)

    Weekly Overview

    Notes:
    1. The “Weekly Overview” of the topic is posted for the benefit of new members who may have come in between the “Weekly Overviews”. It provides an executive summary of the issue for new viewers.
    2. The Stats of participation are important to allow all to determine the extent of continuing interest. For thread originators/responders, they are important to see if the interest no longer warrants the labour. Or alternatively, those of us discussing it are drawing in more participants, because they have begun to see the importance of our topic.

    A. Statistics

    Week # 6 (23/12/4 – 10 [7 days])

    (Sometimes Adjusted for no. of days)

    A. Weekly Stats:
    .....................................................2023 Average..........................................................2023 Average
    Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day..........Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day
    Views/Day........Views/Day.............(6 wks.)............Responses/Day....Resp./Day.......(6 wks.).

    …55........................55.......................45.........................4........................4........................4

    B. Analysis of Last Week's Stats

    There is a slight uptick in interest in this now active thread. Last week's stats are running a bit ahead of those of the prior week, and the 2023 year to date.

    It seems that this new non-chess topic has hit an interest point (it is a bit beyond the no. of views per day of our 2 last quite active threads, Human Self-Government, and, Negative Climate Change)....good on the initiator, Bob Gillanders (I started the thread for him).

    C. Is Our Civilization Now Collapsing?

    Civilizations do not collapse overnight........there is a long, steady, continuous deterioration before hand. Then, all of a sudden, the tipping point has been reached, and we get metamorphosis (Like caterpillar to butterfly, only in reverse!). Either Dystopia, or a new empire rising like the Sphinx from the ashes, sometimes worse than the one it replaces.

    Do we care who is going to be in control, as humans battle to survive in an environment more and more hostile to their continued existence (Negative Climate Change; Possible Nuclear War; Pandemics; etc.)? The very collapse of our civilization is on the horizon!

    D. Indicia of a Collapsing Civilization

    "Comment" below on what the current evidence is that our world's civilization is now collapsing......we'll add some of your ideas here! If we miss it, remind us:

    1. Increasing dependence on private, volunteer Food Banks.

    2. Increasing "Negative Health" factors, such as obesity (Despite amazing advances in medicine and medical technology).

    3. An agenda by unknown forces to impose on the World a "New World Order/Great Reset", a world government that, on the evidence to date, will be authoritarian, and likely “totalitarian”. Even if this movement's intentions are “benevolent”, they are totally misguided in understanding the fundamentals of human nature.

    4.Increasing inability to cope with increasing environmental changes.



    Additional Footnotes:

    1. The goal of this thread is not to woodshed an opposing view into submission. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide.

    2. I personally, as the thread originator (After an initiative by Bob Gillanders), am trying to post a new response at least twice per week, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is necessary,as is happening, that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.

    Bob A
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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

    And who provides the bulk of funds (donations) for the day to day expenses of these charitable and not-for-profits? The private sector/generous private individuals, of course! And the folks 'owning' these charitables/not-for-profits (for very little, if any, investment of their own money) could very well be drawing handsome salaries instead of profits...
    Exactly right Dilip

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Sunday, 10th December, 2023, 05:00 PM.

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