THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

[Alan Baljeu]

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Bob: Read and respond to the graph Vlad posted. The past fifteen years apparently have seen average temps above normal and below normal, but in approximately equal amounts. We're talking about average global annual temperature, not local incidental extremes.

[Bob Gillanders]

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As the pause in warming stretches into two decades by 2016 I am sure that the "real" climate scientists will find some other way to hide the decline.

Vlad, are you kidding me?

[Paul Beckwith]

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Supporting my Sierra Club blog here:
http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/blog/paul-beckwith

is a Scientific American post from this morning:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...rricane-sandy/

and a recent article.
http://www.tos.org/oceanography/archive/25-2_greene.pdf

Zelkjo, your questions are answered in my blog and in the Scientific American blog.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Obama chose not to run on global warming because he knows that it is a losing issue. I liked one of the comments on the article that Gary linked to.

Don B • 2 hours ago −
Of course mankind's activities were responsible for Sandy. The big storm surge was partly because of a full moon - an anthropogenic full moon.

I suppose the poster meant high tide. Calling Paul a scientist is giving him way too much credit. He's a science student. Alarmism is in his own self interest. As the pause in warming stretches into two decades by 2016 I am sure that the "real" climate scientists will find some other way to hide the decline. Most of the world has moved on. The deep pockets that they were hoping to tap are not so deep anymore. Carbon dioxide will continue to be pumped into the atmosphere but the temperatures will continue to remain stable because carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has little to do with what temperatures ultimately are.

[Alan Baljeu]

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Beckwith, as a scientist you should know better than to point to a single event as proof of a trend. In this case, hurricanes have behaved like Sandy for centuries and this one is no different. (See Hazel 1954 for but one example.) You may take comfort in the fact that your colleagues are doing the same thing.

"Welcome to the world of Frankenscience, where claims are made that have no substance and causal links are stated that are not supported by real scientists — including scientists who believe that man-made global warming is a problem."

[Zeljko Kitich]

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The clear and distinct reasons that Hurricane Sandy turned left to hit NYC and NJ and other regions of the east coast rather than turn right and head out to sea...climate change...Will the deniers ever realize how ridiculous they look? Probably not.
http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/blog/pau...angin%E2%80%99

Really then how do you explain these historic hurricanes that made landfall in the same area. Notice the dates on some of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ork_hurricanes

[Gary Ruben]

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Here's one you should read.

http://opinion.financialpost.com/201...rankenscience/

[Paul Beckwith]

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Listen to real-time communications between the Brooklyn firemen and the dispatch as they do their work tonight...surreal...chilling...haunting...
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/a...wp&feedId=7392

[Paul Beckwith]

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The clear and distinct reasons that Hurricane Sandy turned left to hit NYC and NJ and other regions of the east coast rather than turn right and head out to sea...climate change...Will the deniers ever realize how ridiculous they look? Probably not.
http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/blog/pau...angin%E2%80%99

[Vlad Drkulec]

No global warming in sixteen years... oops the models are broken....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-prove-it.html

It gets warm, it gets cold and still they want to call Carbon Dioxide a pollutant. LOL.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Solyndra, Beacon Power and Abound Solar walked into a bar and got stimulus money

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...investigators/

Will the atrocities never end?

There was money in the U.S. diplomatic budget for $108,000 for a Chevy Volt charging station in Vienna but not enough for security for the U.S. Ambassador to Libya. Go Green Energy!

[Vlad Drkulec]

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All that does is give us a reason why you were wrong. I don't care about the reasons. We need results. When a date is given the deadline has to be met. Usually the doomsters don't give a date.

I don't need sea ice maps. I have a crystal ball. It's called a Snow Globe. The rather large squirrel inside tells me the sea ice is safe.

Is the squirrel named Paul?

[Gary Ruben]

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Of course I could be wrong. When I made the Sept. 30th claim in early August the massive cyclone from Aug 2nd through the 10th or so had hoovered about 0.8 million square km of ice to oblivion and the long range meteorology suggested that more of these storms could develop. They did not, however the model kept indicating that they were going to; always about a week to 10 days out. And Leslie did not make it up there, although it did influence things.

All that does is give us a reason why you were wrong. I don't care about the reasons. We need results. When a date is given the deadline has to be met. Usually the doomsters don't give a date.

I don't need sea ice maps. I have a crystal ball. It's called a Snow Globe. The rather large squirrel inside tells me the sea ice is safe.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Of course I could be wrong. When I made the Sept. 30th claim in early August the massive cyclone from Aug 2nd through the 10th or so had hoovered about 0.8 million square km of ice to oblivion and the long range meteorology suggested that more of these storms could develop. They did not, however the model kept indicating that they were going to; always about a week to 10 days out. And Leslie did not make it up there, although it did influence things. A great one-stop-shop for sea ice maps (great color images) is at: https://sites.google.com/site/arcticseaicegraphs/

Great movies with nice musical background and discussion of many viewpoints can be found here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...493AUh_EInBYxQ

and here...
http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/2012/...012-video.html

[Gary Ruben]

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We have now entered the nonlinearity zone...

Do you think you could be wrong like on your prediction of us being mated in 49 days by Sept 30th?

Probably a small miscalculation resulted in a big scare for those who get scared by such a thing.

Now it's a show me story.