THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

[Paul Beckwith]

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We have now entered the nonlinearity zone...
http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/blog/pau...-zone%E2%80%A6

[Paul Beckwith]

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I guess I can be a little bit of a rabble-rouser; have a look at rabble.ca on the top right corner for my article on sea ice...

http://rabble.ca/

[Gary Ruben]

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and of course Scientific America never gets it wrong...

I think I agree that ice will melt. :)

I can't see much of a decline in fossil fuel use in the near future. The Americans are drilling shale gas so fast the price has dropped to very little. Fracking techniques are improving and now they do more fracs per well. I've been reading they are thinking of redoing a U.S. LNG terminal so they can ship from it instead of receiving so there's thought of shipping excess. We'll also be shipping from B.C. regardless of any current protests.

Quebec has come out against shale gas but there seems to be some split. Actually, Quebec staying out of that is not a bad idea because we are already over supplied. Here's a writeup on that.

http://www.tmxmoney.com/en/cpnews/MG1517.html

I think most of the large manufacturing is now in developing nations so it's up to them what they want to burn. Most of the manufacturing plants where I used to do service work are either no longer here or are scaled down to a fraction of their former capacity.

Our oil and gas properties are worth so little because of the natural gas glut companies owned by foreign governments are coming and buying them. Our government will still get the royalties and taxes on what's produced but the owners will decide where they want to sell or ship it.

[Zeljko Kitich]

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Guys, please have a look at this article in Scientific American. Very clear, organized, looks a many viewpoints on the Arctic, sea ice, extreme weather, etc. etc.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...and-what-next/

and of course Scientific America never gets it wrong...

[Gary Ruben]

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Golf all year round.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Guys, please have a look at this article in Scientific American. Very clear, organized, looks a many viewpoints on the Arctic, sea ice, extreme weather, etc. etc.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...and-what-next/

[Zeljko Kitich]

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The only science fiction is that pushed by fossil fuel companies and governments that have a sole purpose is catering to their bidding.

Here is a blog that I just did that Sierra Club Canada will be uploading weekly to their web site...

http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/blog/pau...global-climate

That's why we need to go nuclear. The more nuclear the better. Also alternative sources to the extent that they can do the job. Humanity needs power of one type or another. It is simply not possible to live in modern cities without electric power and heat and fuel for vehicles.

[Gary Ruben]

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The only science fiction is that pushed by fossil fuel companies and governments that have a sole purpose is catering to their bidding.

If it wasn't for the fossil fuels folks would be out cutting down trees to keep warm in the winter.

[Gary Ruben]

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Thankfully I was wrong on this prediction. Sea ice was massacred this year, but some lives to fight another day.

Whew!!!! I was beginning to think the world wouldn't be around for me to celebrate my birthday in another couple of days. This is a real bit of luck! Now all I have to do is be around.

[Paul Beckwith]

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The only science fiction is that pushed by fossil fuel companies and governments that have a sole purpose is catering to their bidding.

Here is a blog that I just did that Sierra Club Canada will be uploading weekly to their web site...

http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/blog/pau...global-climate

[Zeljko Kitich]

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A colleague of mine in the AMEG group (Arctic Methane Emergency Group) is Peter Wadhams, and finally he and our AMEG folk are starting to get lots of main stream media press on the Arctic ice massacre and its implications of extreme weather, food production problems, etc...much more to come, this is the tip of the sword, so to speak...

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blo...ed-and-worried

The article writer certainly has a florid writing style. Maybe he should turn his hand to writing science-fiction; oh wait he already is. He`s also a bit out of date on the Africa thing. The last I checked the current theory is that human kind did not only start in Africa but in several locations around the world at about the same time. Of course what he conveniently ignores are the ice age period and the period pre-humans when the poles had no ice at all. His tying of climate change to Enron and financial bubbles is rather bizzare. His implicit denouncing of the scientists who prepared the UN report is shall we say cute.

[Paul Beckwith]

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A colleague of mine in the AMEG group (Arctic Methane Emergency Group) is Peter Wadhams, and finally he and our AMEG folk are starting to get lots of main stream media press on the Arctic ice massacre and its implications of extreme weather, food production problems, etc...much more to come, this is the tip of the sword, so to speak...

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blo...ed-and-worried

[Paul Beckwith]

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Thankfully I was wrong on this prediction. Sea ice was massacred this year, but some lives to fight another day. There were no more massive cyclones comparable to the one in early August that wiped out 0.8 million square kilometers of ice in about 8 days (this area is about 23.5% of the total area of sea ice left in the previous record year of 2007). We did dodge a bullet since what was left of Hurricane Leslie turned rightward quickly enough to graze Iceland before heading across the Atlantic to seas north of Scotland. A track 400 miles to the west would have had it brush up against Greenland and churn north into the Arctic basin where it would have done great damage to the ice.

Awesome movie on the cyclone in early August and the effect on the sea ice; make sure the sound is cranked up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gsr...d&noredirect=1

That said, our winter will be interesting with the much reduced sea ice. Last winter it was very mild until a few weeks before Christmas; Jan and Feb were cold but we had that massive heat wave in March. Not expecting much of a winter...

[Vlad Drkulec]

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History question: Back in the 13th century we had a mini ice age where the globe cooled, ice expanded, and China abandoned its quest to colonize the world due to food shortages at home. Scientifically speaking, we hit a local minima in average temperatures (and a maxima in ice extent?). Prior to that we had an ice age that ended 10000-15000 years ago.

In between there must logically have been a maxima point. What do we know of this previous warm period in the climate records? How warm did it get, and how far did the ice recede?

There is a reason they call it Greenland... They used be able to farm there.

The climate scientists who promote the global warming craze/industry/religion would like to claim that the medieval warm period never happened. If man was able to adapt then, he will be able to adapt now which is rather inconvenient if the particular snake oil you are peddling requires a doomsday scenario to sell it to the unwashed masses.

http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com...lobal-warming/

[Alan Baljeu]

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History question: Back in the 13th century we had a mini ice age where the globe cooled, ice expanded, and China abandoned its quest to colonize the world due to food shortages at home. Scientifically speaking, we hit a local minima in average temperatures (and a maxima in ice extent?). Prior to that we had an ice age that ended 10000-15000 years ago.

In between there must logically have been a maxima point. What do we know of this previous warm period in the climate records? How warm did it get, and how far did the ice recede?