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    Oceans are dying before our very eyes...

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/06/20-8

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      Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
      I finally figured out who Monckton was.
      oh really.....Monckton has been discredited, so you're cutting him loose...

      I see you are still in denial.....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wQ6lxJ-jpU

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoxiU...eature=related
      Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Tuesday, 21st June, 2011, 12:59 AM.

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      • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

        Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
        oh really.....Monckton has been discredited, so you're cutting him loose...

        I see you are still in denial.....

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wQ6lxJ-jpU

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoxiU...eature=related
        In twenty years when you are freezing your rear off I will remind you of your strong and quaint belief in global warming and carbon dioxide as a pollutant. We will look back and laugh and curse Dalton McGuinty over his idiotic energy policies.

        Monckton has not been discredited. He has been attacked for helping to bring down Al Gore, one of the high priests of the silly new religion. His original criticisms of the Gore schtick remain valid. Also some of the criticisms against Monckton are weak. For example the one about his relationship with Margaret Thatcher as an advisor. I doubt that old Margaret had only one environmental advisor as the supposed proof that Monckton is lying suggests.

        It is a knee jerk reaction of the chicken little lunatic fringe to shout liar, liar. After a while people just turn a deaf ear to them.

        Ontario is being challenged by Japan over its exclusion of Japanese manufactured products from the Green Energy plan. Dalton is going to have to find another gig very soon. People are mad at him in a way that borders on pathological. Down here some people have the delusion that Windsor is going to profit from these green jobs and they are mad that Hudak is promising to kill the programs. They still plan on turfing Dalton though.

        I see nothing but pain in the future of Ontario Liberals as they look forward to some time and hopefully a very long time in the political wilderness.
        Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Tuesday, 21st June, 2011, 11:41 AM.

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        • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

          Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
          Oceans are dying before our very eyes...
          It mentions 5 mass extinctions in 500 million years. See, nothing to worry about. All you have to do is wait for conditions to improve in a few hundred million years. Chess players are patient.

          If you're going to drill for oil in deep water in the Gulf of Mexico and other ocean sites, serious pollution will happen. If you're going to watch your governments bomb the planet in far away nations you have to expect bad effects on the climate.

          Do you know why coal is a fuel of choice over natural gas? The cost of a million BTU's of thermal coal is around $2.30. The cost of a million BTU's of natural gas is around $4.30 as I write. See the difference?
          Gary Ruben
          CC - IA and SIM

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            "CommonDreams.org is an Internet-based progressive news and grassroots activism organization, founded in 1997.
            We are nonprofit, independent and nonpartisan."

            I got to the word progressive and knew that everything else could be ignored. I already knew all that I needed to know about the authors of the piece.

            I see much more coal in our future. No wonder wholesale costs of electricity are so low.

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            • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

              Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

              I see much more coal in our future. No wonder wholesale costs of electricity are so low.
              A large Alberta utility has a lot of coal fired electricity.

              Natural gas is actually more clean burning. Decades ago we changed a lot of factories and buildings, including apartment buildings, over from Bunker C oil to natural gas. I worked on changing over hundreds. Mostly the conversion would burn natural gas but could change over to oil if needed. There were interuptable contracts. If the supplier of nat. gas was short of supply, like on a very cold winter day, they customer could be asked to switch to oil. I have no idea what they do these days.

              I also drove a natural gas powered vehicle for a number of years. When the nat gas tank emptied I flipped a switch and the gasoline cut in. You could feel it when the tank got very low and didn't even have to stop the vehicle to switch over. It was a company vehicle.
              Gary Ruben
              CC - IA and SIM

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              • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                http://amog.com/offbeat/101352-japan...ntist-burgers/

                As population climbs, this is science's solution to the future of food. ;-)
                "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                  Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                  http://amog.com/offbeat/101352-japan...ntist-burgers/

                  As population climbs, this is science's solution to the future of food. ;-)
                  Soylent green is people!

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                  • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                    Vlad - I see there is no hope for you. :(

                    Nevertheless, for the benefit of others.....

                    Let's hear from Isaac Asimov,
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6tSY...eature=related

                    How about Stephen Hawkin and Carl Sagan,
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu1Pi...eature=related

                    or should just trust Vlad, Lord Monckton, and the Oil companies.
                    Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Wednesday, 22nd June, 2011, 06:32 AM.

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                    • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                      Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                      Vlad - I see there is no hope for you. :(

                      Nevertheless, for the benefit of others.....

                      Let's hear from Isaac Asimov,
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6tSY...eature=related

                      How about Stephen Hawkin and Carl Sagan,
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu1Pi...eature=related

                      or should just trust Vlad, Lord Monckton, and the Oil companies.
                      Two of those 3 people are dead (and Hawking is in the endgame) so the dead ones may not be up on the latest research/arguments/conjecture...
                      ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                      • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                        Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                        Vlad - I see there is no hope for you. :(

                        Nevertheless, for the benefit of others.....

                        Let's hear from Isaac Asimov,
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6tSY...eature=related
                        It seems to me that Isaac was just as concerned with chopping down the rain forests which seems sensible.

                        How about Stephen Hawkin and Carl Sagan,
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu1Pi...eature=related
                        "A little greenhouse effect is a good thing." Carl Sagan

                        or should just trust Vlad, Lord Monckton, and the Oil companies.
                        Bob, its you and supporters of AGW who are more likely to be in bed with the Oil companies than myself and Monckton. Green energy, ethanol and dumb government policies are where the money is and thus that is where oil companies like Suncor are going.

                        The problem for supporters of AGW is when voters get a taste of the draconian policies and high taxes and high energy costs necessarily associated with their policies, they inevitably reject the whole program.

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                        • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                          Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
                          The problem for supporters of AGW is when voters get a taste of the draconian policies and high taxes and high energy costs necessarily associated with their policies, they inevitably reject the whole program.
                          And that is the real problem, isn't it?
                          Nobody wants to pay to fix the problem.
                          So some prefer to deny there is a problem. :o

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                          • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                            Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                            And that is the real problem, isn't it?
                            Nobody wants to pay to fix the problem.
                            So some prefer to deny there is a problem. :o

                            Click Here...
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                              Yet another progressive caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Its really all about the money.

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                              • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                                Excellent article on climate change deniers (AKA Merchants of Poison)...

                                http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...0110622?page=1

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