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I appreciate your efforts at continuing the dialogue on this topic, but it is painfully obvious to me and probably most others now that it has devolved into basically just you and Sid. I doubt either of you will convince the other of anything. I suggest you just claim victory, go outside, and enjoy the sunshine.
This is a very complex topic, there will be hundreds of future studies, many contradicting the others. We really won't get a clear picture, a proper post mordem, for years to come. Done by those truly unbiased and probably done by a future generation who only read about the pandemic in history books.
I appreciate your efforts at continuing the dialogue on this topic, but it is painfully obvious to me and probably most others now that it has devolved into basically just you and Sid. I doubt either of you will convince the other of anything. I suggest you just claim victory, go outside, and enjoy the sunshine.
This is a very complex topic, there will be hundreds of future studies, many contradicting the others. We really won't get a clear picture, a proper post mordem, for years to come. Done by those truly unbiased and probably done by a future generation who only read about the pandemic in history books.
Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Saturday, 11th March, 2023, 12:09 PM.
What part of it do you not believe? Data is data. Unless you think the longest-running weather observatory is lying,
it is a FACT! Sorry if such a simple fact busts your balloon regarding the trustworthiness of governments and the MSM. Did it ever occur to you that oil companies profit the most from this sham? I already posted on the history of Maurice Strong, a Canadian Oil Man that decades ago, was a founding member of the WEF and pushed this nonsense that CO2 is a control button to the climate to induce oil and energy shortages and artificially cause the price to go up because of reduced supply. Yes, he made billions doing this. Chevron showed record profits this year!
Funny how the WEF-controlled MSM does not like talking about this, huh? Nothing altruistic at all about this, Bob. The whole thing is bullshit!
Originally posted by Bob Armstrong
Are you aware of the study done in the middle of the pandemic in the USA that established that of all vulnerable groups of the population, senior diabetics had the highest mortality and the highest ICU hospitalization?
Of course, this is precisely the group deemed "useless" eaters that WEF and its client states want dead! You are aware that the WEF have infiltrated Govts and their cabinets Worldwide?
Especially here in Canada, where Trudeau is a "WEF Young Global Leader" and our deputy prime minister Crystia Freeland is also deputy director of the WEF. The top people running the WEF are descendants of Nazis, including Klauss Schwab, whose father was a close confidante of Adolf Hitler and who ran slave labor camps during WW2 that got awards as "model businesses" by the Nazi regime.
The virus was modified to be highly infectious, and its modifications, including the HIVGP120 protein from the AIDS virus, were inserted into the thing so that if left untreated early would progress to induce every disease possible. The good news is that most people with healthy immune systems with natural immunity eliminate the viral infection before it progresses and delivers its toxic payload, the spike protein.
Simply taking FDA-approved repurposed drugs cocktail or even essential nutraceuticals like vitamin D and zinc reduces the probability of progression of hospitalization by 85%! The government suppressed all of these solutions and gave guidelines not to treat at all and let the thing progress until you are blue in the face and end up in the emergency. WHY? the goal was to mass "vaccinate" and ensure this was the ONLY "solution." It is a solution, as the Nazis called it, The Final Solution!
The virus was created, so that big pharma and its corrupted WEF governments around had an excuse to sell vaccines that were made and patented before the virus existed,
I don't blame you. that you trusted the MSM and made bad decisions as a result. I blame you for continuing to make bad decisions by trusting the MSM.
The most toxic part of SArsCOV2 is the spike protein; the vaxes turn your body into a spike protein factory indefinitely. It is the biggest failure and medical catastrophe in history and was planned to be that way. I urge you to listen to this free documentary about holocaust survivors that have seen this movie before and recognize what is going on now as an even bigger genocide orchestrated by the descendants of these Nazis!
Yes I have a position. But I feel I have considered your material, and I have admitted that some of it has sent me back to my research death, because the points made are critically important, IF fact.
In March 2020, I was 74 y.o.. I had been a Type 2 Diabetic for years......so a senior diabetic.
Are you aware of the study done in the middle of the pandemic in the USA that established that of all vulnerable groups of the population, senior diabetics had the highest mortality and the highest ICU hospitalization.
After the WHO declaration, COVID-19 ravaged the world..........surely you know that the "7 million deaths from COVID-19" is a gross under-reporting by countries hiding the lack of containment they were able to implement.
There was definite danger.........incontrovertible at the time.
I find you very arrogant to disparage those who trusted the MSS & MSM, and accessed what was then THE one way to "lessen" the severity of the illness if contracted, and to lower the percentage risk of death and ICU hospitalization.
Maybe you and your minority are correct....I'm not yet convinced, though you have raised concerns supported by some evidence.....or at least you may be able to raise serious doubt about the medical establishment information presentation at the time.
But I do not appreciate your best wishes that I do not die shortly from the spiked protein of the vaccination, or your dismissive attitude towards my analysis of my situation, and that of my wife who has a fatal heart condition, when the pandemic was just breaking on the world, and my decision to be vaccinated, and so recommending to my wife, also a senior.
This is not in any way any criticism of your well-intentioned intent to try to prove facts different from those alleged by the MSS & MSM.
Bob A
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Saturday, 11th March, 2023, 10:24 AM.
"Three years ago tomorrow, the World Health Organization declared the spread of what was then called the novel coronavirus to be a pandemic. Some 4,200 Covid-19 deaths had been confirmed at that point. Almost 7 million would follow, though the true number of lives lost is believed to be much higher. In March of 2020, the pathogen had already spread to more than 100 countries. Horrific waves would sweep across Europe and the US, which for much of the pandemic suffered the worst death toll of all. No part of the planet would be untouched, as India later suffered a crushing surge and, more recently, China after the sudden lifting of precautions."
You do realize that most of the MSM these days are World Economic Forum stooges and have been broadcasting the WEF's lies about the scamdemic to us for three years now. You may recall when I gave you scientific proof that this virus originated in a lab, you did not believe it and stupidly labeled it "the petri dish theory." In fact, I was labeled a "conspiracy theorist. You spent three years parroting MSM gibberish courtesy of the WEF and you still do both in this thread and anthropogenic climate change thread.
You even went as far as to say that if posting something in your anthropogenic climate change thread is not supported by the MSM it serves no useful purpose. Do you say you took five jabs and got COVID anyways? But the symptoms were mild? You would have had the same outcome not taking the jab because as I predicted the original virus evolved into a much weaker variant t that is no worst than a common cold.
2.5% of injection recipients get myocarditis which damages the heart. The average life expectancy if you are one of the unlucky ones is less than 5 years/. In youths, the symptoms are referred to as mild but there is no such thing as mild myocarditis. It is deadly and it is only a matter of time before the fatal heart attack happens
The worst part is that doctors in Canada can't even attribute it to the jab without fear of the fascist College of Physicians and Surgeons revoking their license.
Many studies have confirmed this. https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/7/8/196 https://infonomena.substack.com/p/th...rditis-iceberg
"Three years ago tomorrow, the World Health Organization declared the spread of what was then called the novel coronavirus to be a pandemic. Some 4,200 Covid-19 deaths had been confirmed at that point. Almost 7 million would follow, though the true number of lives lost is believed to be much higher. In March of 2020, the pathogen had already spread to more than 100 countries. Horrific waves would sweep across Europe and the US, which for much of the pandemic suffered the worst death toll of all. No part of the planet would be untouched, as India later suffered a crushing surge and, more recently, China after the sudden lifting of precautions."
One way to cope is to visit the graves of the Cowboys from Hell. Vinnie Paul on the left, Dimebag Darrell on the right (the markers I mean) of the band Pantera.
So you consider journalists at the NY TIMES a better health and science information source than the Cochrane Medical Database and other medical journals? Oh yeah, I forgot that only the MSM is a good source of information for you regarding data and science. Chess aims to improve your critical thinking skills, not abandon them entirely. Maybe for once in your life, read responses to your posts. https://forum.chesstalk.com/forum/ch...938#post224938
Gotta love this picture of Bill Gates getting off the plane with his masked slaves! Masks for thee, not for me!
"As Seth knows, when the pandemic happened Moderna made 100,000 doses in 2019 for the whole year.
“And I remember walking after that into the office of Moderna manufacturing and I say: “How we make a billion doses next year?” And [you/they] look at me a bit funny say: “What?” I said: “Yeah we need to make a billion doses next year, there’s going to be a pandemic.”
Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel World Economic Forum Davos 2023:
Update on Brook Jackson Pfizer Fraud Whistle Blower Case
For the first time, I am cautiously optimistic that justice will prevail! Please listen to this
important update from Brooke Jackson's legal counsel.
The “most rigorous clinical trials in history” were a sham.
Hi Dillip,
The few countries that did publish data by Vaccination status stopped doing so in mid-2022. Here is a post where I posted data by vaccination status from the Uk that was one of the last countries to do this. The reason governments stopped doing this is that it is clear that the "vaccines " were neither safe nor effective. The investigators are not to be blamed for data that does not exist.
The Governments owe the scientific community an apology and should be held legally accountable for the harm they have inflicted. You have it backwards in who is "deceiving" who!
Please let your governments worldwide know, including here in Canada, that this data should be made available to the scientific community so that
we are not accused of "deception" through no fault of our own. Here is what Canadian data looked like by vaccination status before they hid it from the world.
By mid-2022 the vaccines lost any semblance of efficacy and this was when Canada stopped publishing the data.
To deceive Canada, they lumped in data by vaccination status in their weekly reports all the way back to December 2020 when no one was vaccinated. I had to retrieve weekly data from the internet archives and subtract earlier time periods from the most recent to show the current status of the vaccines, not only losing efficacy but negative efficacy as well.
Of course the government had no business to force the vaccines on the public... they at best could just have disseminated all the information which was available, including all the details of the big pharma vaccine trials which they still hide. But then we do not have a Libertarian constitution, so the courts won't make them reimburse those harmed by them...
Hi Sid,
How could you fail to notice that the graphs in this article do not make sense, as they do not include the percentage of the general population who were vaccinated vs non-vaccinated? The article also says that it got peer reviewed and accepted within 2 days only! If you have any connections with the journal, please let them know that they need to apologize to the scientific community for publishing this article in which the raw data is presented in a very deceptive way.
Kind regards,
D
Hi Dilip,
The few countries that did publish data by Vaccination status stopped doing so in mid-2022. Below is data by vaccination percentage status from Canada which was one of the last countries to do this. The reason governments stopped doing this is that it is clear that the "vaccines " were neither safe nor effective. The investigators are not to be blamed for data that does not exist.
The Governments owe the scientific community an apology and should be held legally accountable for the harm they have inflicted. You have it backward in who is "deceiving" who!
Originally posted by Dillip Panjwani
The article also says that it got peer reviewed and accepted within two days only! If you have any connections with the journal, please let them know that they need to apologize to the scientific community for publishing this article in which the raw data is presented in a very deceptive way.
Please let your governments worldwide know, including here in Canada, that this data should be made available to the scientific community so that
we are not accused of "deception" through no fault of our own. Here is what Canadian data looked like by percentage of vaccination status before they hid it from the world.
By mid-2022, the vaccines lost any semblance of efficacy, and this was when Canada stopped publishing the data.
To deceive the Canadian population, the government lumped in data by vaccination status in their weekly reports all the way back to December 2020, when no one was vaccinated. I had to retrieve weekly data from the internet archives and subtract earlier periods from the most recent to show the current percentage status of the vaccines, not only losing efficacy but negative efficacy as well.
The Government of Canada did not like this exposure, so since their first deception of lumping in old data with new data did not work thanks to retrieving deleted data from the internet archives, they got provinces like British Columbia and Alberta, etc., to omit data by vaccination status entirely as month by month it is evident that the so-called efficacy was wearing off very quickly, and as you see by March and April 2022 was in fact negative!
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Sunday, 5th March, 2023, 02:04 AM.
Fellow Chessplayers, I have never seen a peer-reviewed paper in Clinical &Experimental Immunology or any other reputable medical journal filled with as much rage as this. This is not some fly-by-night publication.
Clinical & Experimental Immunology is a peer-reviewed medical journal covering clinical and translational immunology. The editor-in-chief is Leonie Taams. Published by Oxford University Press on behalf of the British Society for Immunology, of which it is the official journal.
Hi Sid,
How could you fail to notice that the graphs & tables in this article do not make sense, as they do not include the percentage of the general population who were vaccinated vs non-vaccinated? The article also says that it got peer reviewed and accepted within 2 days only! If you have any connections with the journal, please let them know that they need to apologize to the scientific community for publishing this article in which the raw data is presented in a very deceptive way.
Kind regards,
D
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Saturday, 4th March, 2023, 05:52 PM.
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