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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Steve Douglas View Post

    Ummm. Let's recap here:

    You dared somebody to produce numbers showing excess deaths in **2020**.

    I did, citing a link that you originally posted.

    You then claimed that those excess deaths in **2020** were because of vaccines.

    I then pointed out how that was absurd. In my post I quoted the entirety of your post.

    You then went back and substantially edited your post about the excess deaths in 2020, and now it's focusing on 2021.

    Sorry Sid, you posted something flat-out wrong, then went and edited it to read completely differently after you were called on it. You've done that before in this thread. I don't care to play that game. Plonk.
    Yes, the deaths were up in Scotland but the important point to note is that across the world we did not see any unusual increase in excess deaths in 2020, In Canada, for example, we were up 4% on deaths between 2019-2020. This is in line with normal increases in population etc. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ths-in-canada/

    Across the world deaths per million were 7.57 to 7.61 between 2019-220 which is not an unusual increase.
    https://www.google.com/amp/knoema.co...ate%3fmode=amp

    As for the increase above the norm in Scotland, even the Scottish government is not convinced it is attributable to Covid indeed, Scotland is an exception but not the rule.

    https://yourviews.parliament.scot/co...id19-pandemic/
    Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Tuesday, 1st March, 2022, 02:40 AM.

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  • Steve Douglas
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    Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

    Yes and that is what I pointed out, please read the post.
    Ummm. Let's recap here:

    You dared somebody to produce numbers showing excess deaths in **2020**.

    I did, citing a link that you originally posted.

    You then claimed that those excess deaths in **2020** were because of vaccines.

    I then pointed out how that was absurd. In my post I quoted the entirety of your post.

    You then went back and substantially edited your post about the excess deaths in 2020, and now it's focusing on 2021.

    Sorry Sid, you posted something flat-out wrong, then went and edited it to read completely differently after you were called on it. You've done that before in this thread. I don't care to play that game. Plonk.

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Steve Douglas View Post

    Pardon???? The vaccines weren't available to the public in any form until November/December of 2020. The "rollout" occurred in Q1 2021.
    Yes and that is what I pointed out, please read the post.

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  • Steve Douglas
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    Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

    Yes Steve, and the excess mortality in that country was post the roll out of vaccines.
    Pardon???? The vaccines weren't available to the public in any form until November/December of 2020. The "rollout" occurred in Q1 2021.

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Steve Douglas View Post

    Oh please. Sid, you yourself posted this link on August 6, 2021 about Scotland:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202000128465/

    The relevant death numbers:
    • 2016 (full year) - 56,718
    • 2017 (full year) - 57,872
    • 2018 (full year) - 58,202
    • 2019 (full year) - 57,691
    • 2020 (up to 20th December) - 62,415


    Yes Steve, and the excess mortality in that country was post the roll out of vaccines.in the first 6 months of 2021 for deaths within 28 days of vaccines alone was 5562.
    Canada by the way did not have an unusual excess deaths number in 2020 4% increase that ihas been within the norm increase for the prior decade each year.

    https://publichealthscotland.scot/pu...-23-june-2021/

    A few "back of the napkin" calculations,"
    54% percent of the Scotland's population was vaccinated by June 2021 2021. 62,500 deaths from all causes in 2020, so over 6 months (2021)
    you would expect approximately 15625 deaths from all causes among the vaccinated group 54% of 62,500). The chances are
    1 in 6 that among the deaths are those vaccinated within that month you would get a total of 2604 deaths.
    So taking out the background deaths (2604?) excess deaths within this group appear to be 5522-2604= 2918
    deaths that are likely related to the vaccine. 3000 excess deaths from vaccines is an astounding number.
    Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Sunday, 27th February, 2022, 02:44 PM.

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Peter Mckillop
    The data utilized by your scumbag source
    Why the inflammatory language Peter? This so called "scumbag source "always has direct posted government data to back up its position. The real "scumbag" source is MSM that has suppressed the truth about early interventions and parrot the pharma narrative of vaccines being the only solutution. MSM always pontificate together with talking head Dr's that have never successfully treated a patient. As for your question, the vaccine's effectiveness wears off very quickly hence the most recent week is far more relevant than 6 months ago when few were vaccinated and they had not yet seen mutants replace the original virus they were designed for. The point of the article is that data has to be ferreted out as the pharma does not like that coming out.

    The answer to your second question is simple, the unvaccinated population keeps shrinking as they are forced to get vaccinated with threat of job loss etc. Hence as you shrink the population more and more of vaaccinated the proportion becomes greater. The actual risk of them contracting the disease is a separate issue unrelated to a shrinking population in that cohort. We already covered that.
    Have you read Brian Peckfords article on his website yet about the Trusted News Initiative? You said you would but based on your comments here I doubt it.

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  • Steve Douglas
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    Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

    Please show me any country during 2020 that shows unusual "excess mortality", growth, spoiler alert: you won't be able to.
    Oh please. Sid, you yourself posted this link on August 6, 2021 about Scotland:

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202000128465/

    The relevant death numbers:
    • 2016 (full year) - 56,718
    • 2017 (full year) - 57,872
    • 2018 (full year) - 58,202
    • 2019 (full year) - 57,691
    • 2020 (up to 20th December) - 62,415



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  • Peter McKillop
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    Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
    7 in 10 Covid Deaths in Canada are among the fully vaccinated

    https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/15/ca...nt-vaccinated/

    For those of you that have an issue with the messenger here is the data from the Government of Canada's website

    https://health-infobase.canada.ca/sr...-Canada.ca.pdf
    The data utilized by your scumbag source (seriously, Sid, The Daily Exposé is the best you've got???) covers one week. In this particular situation (a 2 year pandemic), how relevant are conclusions based on one week of data? Just in case you're thinking of responding with one of your trademark abusive blasts, this is a legitimate question. If you're going to post The Daily Exposé's analysis then people will of course assume that you're doing so because you think it's somehow supportive of your overall position. If that is the case then you should be able to give a coherent answer to my question.

    Another question: if approx. 80% of Canadians are fully vaccinated (2 doses or more), and if for the sake of argument we say that vaccines offer no protection, then why do the data suggest that the death rate for the unvaccinated is higher than their proportion of the data population (50% higher)?

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    COVID-19 Deaths

    Are some countries faking their covid-19 death counts?

    An elementary statistical test casts doubt on some abnormally neat numbers

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...utm_id=1062800

    Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

    In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...utm_id=1062800

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
    Please show me any country during 2020 that shows unusual "excess mortality", growth, spoiler alert: you won't be able to.
    Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Sunday, 27th February, 2022, 12:08 AM.

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    COVID-19 Deaths

    Are some countries faking their covid-19 death counts?

    An elementary statistical test casts doubt on some abnormally neat numbers

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...utm_id=1062800

    Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

    In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...utm_id=1062800

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
    Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Saturday, 26th February, 2022, 09:30 PM.

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  • Neil Frarey
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Origin of COVID-19

    Scientists released a pair of extensive studies on Saturday that point to a market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the coronavirus pandemic. The two reports, totaling about 150 pages, have not yet been published in a scientific journal.

    The researchers analyzed data from a range of sources to look for clues to how the pandemic arose. They concluded that the coronavirus was present in live mammals sold in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019. The research suggests that the virus very likely twice spilled over into people working or shopping at the market. The researchers said they found no support for an alternate hypothesis that the coronavirus escaped from a lab in Wuhan.


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...d396a4debfd6ce

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
    https://youtu.be/sSfejgwbDQ8?t=173

    Fail harder ... LOL!

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  • Tom O'Donnell
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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Origin of COVID-19

    Scientists released a pair of extensive studies on Saturday that point to a market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the coronavirus pandemic. The two reports, totaling about 150 pages, have not yet been published in a scientific journal.

    The researchers analyzed data from a range of sources to look for clues to how the pandemic arose. They concluded that the coronavirus was present in live mammals sold in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in late 2019. The research suggests that the virus very likely twice spilled over into people working or shopping at the market. The researchers said they found no support for an alternate hypothesis that the coronavirus escaped from a lab in Wuhan.


    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...d396a4debfd6ce

    ~ Bob A (T-S/P)

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  • Neil Frarey
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    Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View Post
    New Canadian two-dose vaccine Covifenz approved. The vaccine's active ingredients consist of particles from plants that “mimic the spike protein of the virus that causes COVID-19.” without containing any of its genetic material - “which makes the person's immune system able to recognize the particles without causing infection.” But not approved for seniors or children.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...cine-1.5794165
    Interesting! Good to see tech starting to get a grip on COVID.

    Covifenz (love the names of these drugs) clinical trials suggested the vaccine - a two-dose series administered on a 21-day interval - was 71 per cent effective in protecting against COVID-19 infection one week after the second dose authorized for use in people aged 18 to 64,

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    7 in 10 Covid Deaths in Canada are among the fully vaccinated

    https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/02/15/ca...nt-vaccinated/

    For those of you that have an issue with the messenger here is the data from the Government of Canada's website

    https://health-infobase.canada.ca/sr...-Canada.ca.pdf

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