COVID-19 ... how we cope :)

[Peter McKillop]

The biggest risk is .....

..... forgetting to lock the door, thus letting the morons loose. Just got back from Costco. Apparently they were sold out of toilet paper before 10:00 a.m.

[Pargat Perrer]

..... forgetting to lock the door, thus letting the morons loose. Just got back from Costco. Apparently they were sold out of toilet paper before 10:00 a.m.

Is there a new shortage of TP in the States? Because if there is, you can bet Trump will rail against Democrats for engineering the shortage in order to hurt his election chances. After all, Republican voters need their TP to make them feel clean, just like they need their Sunday church services to feel forgiven.

[Peter McKillop]

Is there a new shortage of TP in the States? Because if there is, you can bet Trump will rail against Democrats for engineering the shortage in order to hurt his election chances. After all, Republican voters need their TP to make them feel clean, just like they need their Sunday church services to feel forgiven.

I don't think there's a shortage of tp (yet). I'm just amazed that some people haven't learned anything from last winter's silliness.

[Tony Boron]

....Four different treatments for early high risk patients that have been successful!
https://www.firstpost.com/health/ban...s-8381321.html

Sure. Wonderful. And a lot of this was published months ago. Crisis over !
I see at least one of your treatments is from the discredited Zelenko. And the results have been reproduced ?

[Tom O'Donnell]

..... forgetting to lock the door, thus letting the morons loose. Just got back from Costco. Apparently they were sold out of toilet paper before 10:00 a.m.

So you are saying that people are irrational and panicking even when there isn't anything serious to panic about?

[Peter McKillop]

So you are saying that people are irrational and panicking even when there isn't anything serious to panic about?

SOME people.

[Tom O'Donnell]

SOME people.

Ya I didn't mean to imply 100% of people.

Back in late March they posted a sign in our neighbourhood Freshco about not fighting. I asked the checkout lady if this was a serious problem. She said it had already happened twice that she knew about. I'm thinking toilet paper is not even near the top 20 things that we need in our home but evidently many people seem to disagree.

I don't like that governments lie to people about how serious something might be. I don't know if it is legal for leaders to have said "hey we don't know, this could kill millions or perhaps not" then send all troops back home and use them if necessary to quell the rioting. But I can't exactly blame leaders for trying to minimize potential rioting when people get into fisticuffs over toilet paper. Even if 10% of people are irrational that's millions of Canadians.

[Sid Belzberg]

Sure. Wonderful. And a lot of this was published months ago. Crisis over !
I see at least one of your treatments is from the discredited Zelenko. And the results have been reproduced ?

Tony,

The link below are the many findings from the world wide scientific community regarding the efficacy of HCQ and various combos. For early stage high risk patients this treatment is shown to be very effective. Late stage post hospitalization hydroxychloroquine only works under limited circumstances. By Day 7 in the hospital patients are often hypoxic and suffering blood acidosis.

HCQ works by raising the PH of the cellular endosomes and disprupting endosomic acidification that COVID19 relies on. In an acidic environment HCQ protonates and has no way of penetrating the cell membrane at this level. Also HCQ monotherapy that in many trials were done for late stage patients was futile as MRNA viruses are not inhibited with a single drug, it is always a cocktail of drugs. In HCQ's case Zn2+ (Zinc ions) are very important that HCQ allows to enter the cell and inhibit viral RNA replication.

Finally, by Day 8 hospitalized patients suffer a cytokine storm from a very active immune system. At this stage the patient only has dead viral debirs left and no antiviral such as HCQ, Remdesiver, ivermectin will help as the viruses are already dead. The inflamatory reaction is horrific and some success has been achieved using anti-inflammatories such as steroids.

Dr Zelenko is a pioneer in the use of zinc ionopohres and in fact has saved thousands of lives. Propaganda by big pharma with competing interests to attempt to discredit him as a human being is beyond disgusting.

To try to discredit him as a person because he saved lives with a therapy where one of the ingredients was endorsed by DJT is even more disgusting. No study has ever been published that shows HCQ combo therapies with Zinc and an antibiotic does not have very high efficacy. In fact as per the link 100 percent of studies for early high risk patients show the opposite.

So,no HCQ therapies for early stage high risk patients has never been "discredited". Yes, the results for HCQ and all of the other treatments I cited have been reproduced .
https://c19study.com

I will say one more thing on this subject, the narrative that Random Controlled trials is appropriate in all circumstances is simply false. The idea to split a group in two and tell half your patients "sorry but today you are unlucky and you will die" is simply not done. The idea of doing this is to avoid bias by the investigator. When the primary endpoint is death this is unethical

Instead observational studies are done with controls (in the case of HCQ) by patients who voluntarily decline the treatment. Not those that are tricked into using a placebo.

To sum up the RCT trials that were done with HCQ patients were late stage when antivirals of any type do not work and where monotherapies were used even though it is well known that combo therapies is what works against a RNA virus.

In some cases data was fraudulently manufactured and antihcq studes sponsored by Gilead and published in Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine were retracted after only 11 days. The fraudulent data was proven by twitter investigators, not by fellow scientists. This is unprecedented in the history of medicine.
This is an excellent and very informative site on early COVID treatment options. http://covexit.com/key-articles/

In any event, regardless of this, no Govt official or authority has any right to interfere with a certified MD/patient relationship. The banning of off label use of an approved drug with a long track record of safety is unprecedented and is a direct violation of this. We are witnessing an attempt by govt to impose a vaccine agenda that is hugely profitable for big pharma companies and they have gone to great lengths to discredit treatments when used early, results in an easily treatable virus. It is a crime against humanity to obfuscate treatments that work in pursuit of profits and political power.

[Hans Jung]

re: Covid estimates survival

Tell that to the folks in California. Its not just the old folks who are dying.
















[/QUOTE]

[Sid Belzberg]

re: Covid estimates survival

Tell that to the folks in California. Its not just the old folks who are dying.

[/QUOTE]

Reference please

[Vlad Drkulec]

Is there a new shortage of TP in the States? Because if there is, you can bet Trump will rail against Democrats for engineering the shortage in order to hurt his election chances. After all, Republican voters need their TP to make them feel clean, just like they need their Sunday church services to feel forgiven.

Keep those comments coming, Democrats. If you were self-aware you might connect those comments to your upcoming major disappointment.

[Neil Frarey]

re: Covid estimates survival

Tell that to the folks in California. Its not just the old folks who are dying.

Yep, sad but true. And it's on the rise ... 2.5% since July.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Dr Zelenko is a pioneer in the use of zinc ionopohres and in fact has saved thousands of lives. Propaganda by big pharma with competing interests to attempt to discredit him as a human being is beyond disgusting.

To try to discredit him as a person because he saved lives with a therapy where one of the ingredients was endorsed by DJT is even more disgusting. No study has ever been published that shows HCQ combo therapies with Zinc and an antibiotic does not have very high efficacy. In fact as per the link 100 percent of studies for early high risk patients show the opposite.

So,no HCQ therapies for early stage high risk patients has never been "discredited". Yes, the results for HCQ and all of the other treatments I cited have been reproduced .
https://c19study.com

I will say one more thing on this subject, the narrative that Random Controlled trials is appropriate in all circumstances is simply false. The idea to split a group in two and tell half your patients "sorry but today you are unlucky and you will die" is simply not done. The idea of doing this is to avoid bias by the investigator. When the primary endpoint is death this is unethical

Instead observational studies are done with controls (in the case of HCQ) by patients who voluntarily decline the treatment. Not those that are tricked into using a placebo.

To sum up the RCT trials that were done with HCQ patients were late stage when antivirals of any type do not work and where monotherapies were used even though it is well known that combo therapies is what works against a RNA virus.

In some cases data was fraudulently manufactured and antihcq studes sponsored by Gilead and published in Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine were retracted after only 11 days. The fraudulent data was proven by twitter investigators, not by fellow scientists. This is unprecedented in the history of medicine.
This is an excellent and very informative site on early COVID treatment options. http://covexit.com/key-articles/

In any event, regardless of this, no Govt official or authority has any right to interfere with a certified MD/patient relationship. The banning of off label use of an approved drug with a long track record of safety is unprecedented and is a direct violation of this. We are witnessing an attempt by govt to impose a vaccine agenda that is hugely profitable for big pharma companies and they have gone to great lengths to discredit treatments when used early, results in an easily treatable virus. It is a crime against humanity to obfuscate treatments that work in pursuit of profits and political power.

In a highly unscientific survey of practicing doctors that I have talked to, 100% would themselves take HCQ as a prophylactic and as an early stage treatment for Covid along with Zinc and an antibiotic. Big Pharma is against it as there is no profit if everyone goes that route. One of the reasons that Africa other areas are not as badly impacted by Covid as you might expect is because of the widespread use of HCQ as an anti-malaria treatment.

https://bgr.com/2020/09/03/coronavir...y-common-cold/

[Peter McKillop]

.....

Back in late March they posted a sign in our neighbourhood Freshco about not fighting. I asked the checkout lady if this was a serious problem. She said it had already happened twice that she knew about. I'm thinking toilet paper is not even near the top 20 things that we need in our home but evidently many people seem to disagree.........

It's sad but, in a way, it's also funny. Fighting over toilet paper at Freshco - a real life Monty Python skit!! :)

[Hans Jung]

World wide - one million deaths