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Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
I am worried that a LOT of people (and especially a LOT of Americans) will start to believe that now the vaccine is here they are scott free to do whatever they want.
This is far, far from the case. In the near term (at least through all of February) case loads will rise - in many places due to idiots ignoring public health advice to avoid
Christmas/Hanukah/New Years gatherings outside one's household. The health care system will be crushed even while the vaccine roll out is taking place as quickly
as possible...
Unless the uptake on the vaccine is around 70%, the effectiveness of the vaccination program will be severely reduced. There are apparently a large number of people who
will refuse to take the vaccine - and I don't mean because they have compromised immune systems or they are pregnant or other valid reasons to avoid the shot(s).
If that is the case, combined with the moron factor I mentioned in the first paragraph (and the real possibility that even people who were reasonably prudent will start
treating life as 'back to normal') we will achieve very little gain from the miracle vaccine. Meanwhile Trump will be golfing in Mar-a-lago with the rest of the GOP cretins
who will treat him as a god to curry favour with him for 2024... and so it goes.
Happy Holidays.
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Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
I am worried that a LOT of people (and especially a LOT of Americans) will start to believe that now the vaccine is here they are scott free to do whatever they want.
This is far, far from the case. In the near term (at least through all of February) case loads will rise - in many places due to idiots ignoring public health advice to avoid
Christmas/Hanukah/New Years gatherings outside one's household. The health care system will be crushed even while the vaccine roll out is taking place as quickly
as possible...
Unless the uptake on the vaccine is around 70%, the effectiveness of the vaccination program will be severely reduced. There are apparently a large number of people who
will refuse to take the vaccine - and I don't mean because they have compromised immune systems or they are pregnant or other valid reasons to avoid the shot(s).
If that is the case, combined with the moron factor I mentioned in the first paragraph (and the real possibility that even people who were reasonably prudent will start
treating life as 'back to normal') we will achieve very little gain from the miracle vaccine. Meanwhile Trump will be golfing in Mar-a-lago with the rest of the GOP cretins
who will treat him as a god to curry favour with him for 2024... and so it goes.
Happy Holidays.
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Re Healthy People & COVID-19
They can die from it:
https://www.cp24.com/news/markham-fa...xCQiBImX4kHSg8
Bob A
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Originally posted by Dale Hoshizaki View Post
Regarding your second point about vaccine hesitancy, I'm not actually that concerned. Those who choose to not be immunized will at some point get COVID (the virus is quite contagious and here to stay) and acquire immunity the old fashioned way. So relatively quickly, we will get to herd immunity...Most of them will be fine if they are young and healthy. Personally, i think it is considerably safer to be vaccinated, but it's pretty hard to convince people if their mind is made up...
I suppose that is the hard way to get some level of immunity but it comes with considerable risk - you have to actually survive to achieve the "level up" :)
All of the public health statements I have heard about levels of immunity seem to gravitate toward 70% or so of vaccine uptake to get to any sort of comfortable
level of "herd immunity". Of course, Pub Health is naturally pushing the vaccine (and just to be clear, I will take it as soon as it becomes available to me) and
they might not think broadly enough to consider alternative realities where many people pass on it.
The biggest worry I have is that too many people will just go back to "normal" interactions now that the vaccine/cure is here and of course we can predict that outcome.
Thanks for your comment all the same - it is a good point....Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.
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Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
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Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
Thanks, Sid. Another great, thought-provoking link. There is so much to be learned here about the weaknesses in how public health policy is made.Last edited by Peter McKillop; Tuesday, 15th December, 2020, 03:48 PM."We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
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Tom Cruise on the set of Mission Impossible 7 ... enraged by those who violated safety rules. The crew members were wearing masks but standing less than 2 meters apart... “If I see you do it again, you’re f—ing gone. And if anyone in this crew does it, that’s it — and you too and you too. And you, don’t you ever f—ing do it again.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1339007932147494912
Ha!!!
EDIT: Well didn't long to get scrubbed from twitter ...sigh.
Good thing The Sun captured Tom Cruise covid rant ...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...-impossible-2/
...wait a couple of secs for it to load.
.Last edited by Neil Frarey; Wednesday, 16th December, 2020, 05:18 PM.
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Originally posted by Neil Frarey View PostTom Cruise on the set of Mission Impossible 7 ... enraged by those who violated safety rules. The crew members were wearing masks but standing less than 2 meters apart... “If I see you do it again, you’re f—ing gone. And if anyone in this crew does it, that’s it — and you too and you too. And you, don’t you ever f—ing do it again.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1339007932147494912
Ha!!!
I'm not sure what your point was anyway. When he allegedly said "If I see you do IT again..." what did "IT" refer to?
Was it wearing masks or not maintaining 2m distance or violating some (other) safety rule?...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.
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Originally posted by Sam Sharpe View PostSocial distancing ... https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/enter...rnd/index.html
(this forum software doesn't display the full URL for some links... grrr ... so it isn't easy to guess at a glance what a link is about....Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.
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Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
Thanks Sam... I didn't realize that you were referencing what Tom Cruise was on about
(this forum software doesn't display the full URL for some links... grrr ... so it isn't easy to guess at a glance what a link is about.
Here a fresh link...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...-impossible-2/
I'm guessing he doesn't go to a grocer store like the rest of us?!?
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Vice-President Mike Pence leads the way forward, received his first dose of COVID-19 vaccine :)
Vaccine compliance just got a shot in the arm :)
Last edited by Neil Frarey; Friday, 18th December, 2020, 04:32 PM.
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Originally posted by Neil Frarey View PostVice-President Mike Pence leads the way forward, received his first dose of COVID-19 vaccine :)
Vaccine compliance just got a shot in the arm :)
Thankfully he and Potus will soon be just ordinary criminals....Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.
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Originally posted by Neil Frarey View PostVice-President Mike Pence leads the way forward, received his first dose of COVID-19 vaccine :)
Vaccine compliance just got a shot in the arm :)
The Pfizer vaccine was not tested on animals and we have already seen some volunteers in the human trials have severe side effects. Below is a paper that gives a good outline of what I am saying.
Everyone here really needs to use your chess skills and think ahead a few moves ie "What happens after I am vaccinated and I am eventually re-exposed to the virus?" This is why without long term studies it is a really bad idea to rush a vaccine. Do your own due diligence and be very careful! Stay well and be safe!
"In SARS, a type of “priming” of the immune system was observed during animal studies of SARS spike protein-based vaccines leading to increased morbidity and mortality in vaccinated animals who were subsequently exposed to wild SARS virus."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...186?via%3Dihub
https://informedchoicewa.org/covid-1...genic-priming/Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Saturday, 19th December, 2020, 09:48 AM.
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