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  • Re: Green energy implosion

    Prosperity, jobs, and a cleaner environment are the path forward. First we need to clearly identify the villains and the good folks. This article has lots of good points on which is which...

    http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/1...te+Progress%29

    Ontario is heading in the right direction...

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      The villains are the Ontario Liberals obviously.

      If there is a bright side to the Liberals winning it is that when everything blows up they will be in charge and have no one to blame but themselves and the gullible voters. I should move to Alberta.

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        Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Read the article dude...

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          Do not stop at Alberta, go to another planet Vlad. Mordor perhaps where you will have an audience?

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            Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
            Do not stop at Alberta, go to another planet Vlad. Mordor perhaps where you will have an audience?
            In two years the stupidity of the Liberal government's energy policies will be obvious even to themselves. In the meantime, Ontario's economic situation will have deteriorated to the point that Ontario is solidly and maybe permanently in the have not province side of the spectrum. Manufacturing will be reduced to a fraction of its current level as electricity prices soar to at least double the current level and maybe triple if they raise the bar on the percentage of renewables in the Ontario power generation mix. This will require realignment of the whole of the Canadian transfer payment system. The Chinese curse of "May you live in interesting times." will certainly apply to Ontario and the rest of Canada.

            May God have mercy on us.

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              Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
              In two years the stupidity of the Liberal government's energy policies will be obvious even to themselves. In the meantime, Ontario's economic situation will have deteriorated to the point that Ontario is solidly and maybe permanently in the have not province side of the spectrum. Manufacturing will be reduced to a fraction of its current level as electricity prices soar to at least double the current level and maybe triple if they raise the bar on the percentage of renewables in the Ontario power generation mix. This will require realignment of the whole of the Canadian transfer payment system.
              I'd think the government could last 4 years. There must be a MPP who will cross the floor in exchange for a cabinet seat. Even then there is no way of knowing how much of a lead is big enough the PC's can't blow it.

              We are under no obligation to be a have province and support the other provinces.

              Manufacturing started deteriorating while I was still working. I used to have to explain to companies who asked why the utility rate had risen after closely checking the measurement equipment. Part of the problem is a company will be locked into fixed price contracts and an increase in the bottom line caused by an input cost can't be recouped. It may have excellerated the last 8 years but that's something I don't know. I do know some manufacturing plants are no longer where they were. They have been levelled to the ground. I guess taxation on vacant land is less than with the building standing. That has been happening off and on for many years.

              I got a laugh when the Liberals compared Ontario to California. That's a state where they have issued IOU's which may be exchanged for taxes payable. Businesses which can have loaded their machines on ships and sent them offshore for lower costs. The Cons didn't mention that part.

              I can't recall Hudak talking about the eco-tax with using the value added phrase "sneaky eco tax". Also, if you figured out his vision for the province you did better than me. I have no idea what he planned to do other than cut my HST on hydro and heating.

              Now I'll tell you how I voted. I stayed home and didn't vote. I didn't feel inspired.
              Gary Ruben
              CC - IA and SIM

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                May God have mercy on Vlad. He/She gave him a brain but Vlad refuses to use it; his mouth says words with no thought and his hands type propaganda and lies...

                Let me see, Vlad says that electricity prices in Canada will double or triple in 2 years...any bets on this?

                What a joke; he is so negative...

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                  Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                  May God have mercy on Vlad. He/She gave him a brain but Vlad refuses to use it; his mouth says words with no thought and his hands type propaganda and lies...

                  Let me see, Vlad says that electricity prices in Canada will double or triple in 2 years...any bets on this?

                  What a joke; he is so negative...
                  I said nothing about electricity prices in Canada. The rest of Canada is not hobbled directly by the idiotic green energy policies of the Ontario government.

                  Ontario wholesale electricity prices will by necessity have to double or triple if Hydro One is forced to increase the proportion of renewables in the energy mix to 7 percent which is their stated goal. If renewables don't reach that percentage or higher then wholesale prices will not have to rise as much but they will have to rise significantly.

                  The weighted average wholesale cost of electricity is just that. If renewables go up and you continue to pay twenty or thirty times what you pay for other forms of electricity generation then obviously the weighted average cost will go up. I'm not sure if you are too stupid to see this or merely dishonest and annoyed that this obvious fact is being pointed out.

                  Eighty/Sixty/Forty cents per kilowatt hour solar and wind will not compete successfully with two or three cent per kilowatt hour coal.

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                    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                    I'd think the government could last 4 years. There must be a MPP who will cross the floor in exchange for a cabinet seat. Even then there is no way of knowing how much of a lead is big enough the PC's can't blow it.

                    We are under no obligation to be a have province and support the other provinces.
                    And neither are they under any obligation to support us and our government's self-destructive policies.

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                      Electricity and gas rates aren't as big a factor as you might think. Last I heard about half or more the home owners are locked into multi year contracts for their natural gas. They buy at the door from retailers. Some are probably still locked into 5 year contracts at around 40 cents a cubic meter. I think the local utility is charging around 13 cents a cubic meter so you can see the difference. I think the way it works is the utilities are regulated and have to apply to raise the rates. Then it's basically a pass through of their cost. They make their money on the transportation of the commodity. At least one utility was buying about one third of their gas long term, one third medium term and one third short term. The cost of the gas does not cover the cost of transmission and other charges which everyone pays.

                      With electricity it works the same way. You can buy a fixed rate contract for 3 or 5 years. But you still pay all the other fees the utility bills the way I understand it. I don't know what percentage of people in the GTA have these contracts which they sell door to door.

                      I've never bought fixed rate contracts.

                      People on these contracts don't really care about the floating rates or the smart meters. Their cost is set at whatever price they agreed to pay.

                      I think some businesses are also buying futures contracts for their energy.

                      It's the reason that part of the platform didn't get as much traction as some might think.
                      Gary Ruben
                      CC - IA and SIM

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                      • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                        A physicist who has been a highly vocal climate change denier has done a massive study on climate change, and his work validates the Mann hockey stick and all the other work of climatologists...climate change gets yet another validity confirmation...

                        http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...emailtoafriend

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                          Northern wheat crop yields are threatened by this ozone hole in the Arctic...

                          http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/1...te+Progress%29

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                            Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                            A physicist who has been a highly vocal climate change denier has done a massive study on climate change, and his work validates the Mann hockey stick and all the other work of climatologists...climate change gets yet another validity confirmation...

                            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...emailtoafriend
                            Hi Paul,

                            Here is another link reporting on the same new study which vindicates the research data of climate scientists at the centre of the climategate scandal.
                            This passage summarizes it nicely,

                            The new research from the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Project indicates that land surface temperature has risen about 0.9°C in the last 50 years, which is consistent with the findings of the major climate data centers in the U.S. and the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU), the group at the center of the "Climategate" story.

                            The study was set up by physicist Richard Muller to investigate criticisms of the prevailing global temperature records by using a different methodology and more raw data. Writing about his results, which have not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal, Muller said:

                            When we began our study, we felt that skeptics had raised legitimate issues, and we didn't know what we'd find. Our results turned out to be close to those published by prior groups. We think that means that those groups had truly been very careful in their work, despite their inability to convince some skeptics of that. They managed to avoid bias in their data selection, homogenization and other corrections.

                            The complete story at

                            http://mediamatters.org/blog/201110250015

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                            • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                              Solution to climate change...technically possible...barriers are social and political...able to provide all global energy with wind, water, and solar power....

                              http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/j...nPolicyPt1.pdf

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                              • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                                Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                                Solution to climate change...technically possible...barriers are social and political...able to provide all global energy with wind, water, and solar power....
                                The climate change is mostly sun spot activity or lack thereof.
                                Gary Ruben
                                CC - IA and SIM

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