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My reading knowledge of French is poor (to say the least) but the recent installment of Hebert Parle Echecs (vol 5, #18) seems to indicate that Jean Hebert was upset that Sambuev and Sapozhnikov played a perfunctory 10-ish move draw in the 5th Round...
If I understand, it seems Jean's concerns were met with some rather derisive remarks about him by Sambuev... The Google translation even includes such "accolades" as 'holy', and 'idiot' and a 'racist'.
I gather this was because Jean felt the mock draw (that took all of 3-5 minutes) was pre-arranged and contravened the Laws of Chess (if not the spirit). [apologies Jean, if I do not represent the situation correctly]
Toutes ces parties avec Lesiege ont été vraiment joué? Juste sois l'homme et ne pleure pas. Je ne suis pas obligé de battre pour votre argent. P.S. Je suis fatigué de votre racisme. Il y a un seule idiot.
And yes, that last one is seemingly dripping with sarcasm!
Also, Larry asked Jean to come over here to the English side to clarify his side of the story. Jean replied that he would be happy to do so, if Larry would provide the translation for him.
Bator's replies on the French board were funny in a short, effective way.
And yes, that last one is seemingly dripping with sarcasm!
Also, Larry asked Jean to come over here to the English side to clarify his side of the story. Jean replied that he would be happy to do so, if Larry would provide the translation for him.
There's much more if anyone is interested enough to read. It gets a bit bogged down by the "was anything illegal" arguments. I gather also that this is not the first time these two have had issues with each other, at least that's what it sounds like.
My reading knowledge of French is poor (to say the least) but the recent installment of Hebert Parle Echecs (vol 5, #18) seems to indicate that Jean Hebert was upset that Sambuev and Sapozhnikov played a perfunctory 10-ish move draw in the 5th Round...
If I understand, it seems Jean's concerns were met with some rather derisive remarks about him by Sambuev... The Google translation even includes such "accolades" as 'holy', and 'idiot' and a 'racist'.
I gather this was because Jean felt the mock draw (that took all of 3-5 minutes) was pre-arranged and contravened the Laws of Chess (if not the spirit). [apologies Jean, if I do not represent the situation correctly]
Your understanding of french seems better than you think and even better than some native french speakers! You got it right! It was a prearranged draw (with actual moves obviously agreed beforehand) in a situation where one player has 4 points and the other 3, being the only player able to catch the leader. In such circumstances, short draws are suspicious and must be looked at carefully. The TD, not uncharacteristically, was not looking for trouble and did not pay attention. I on the other hand was sitting just feet away, waiting for my opponent who was a couple of minutes late. When he arrived, the "game" was over, scoresheets signed and all as if they had pittbulls on their heels.
Mr Sambuev did not argue the facts on Parlons Echecs but tried to imply that since I too have played a few short draws before (among more than 2000 tournaments games) there must have been some prearranged ones. Well, he fell on the wrong customer. In that regard I am truly 'holy". Not once have I ever prearranged anything. Being unsocial as I am :) I don't even talk to my last round opponents!
By the way that game was important mostly for Mr Sapozhnikov. My share of second place would have been only slighly affected in case of a different result. Frankly, what I deplore the most is the general organizers' unwillingness to defend the integrity of chess, especially when top players are involved.
Your understanding of french seems better than you think and even better than some native french speakers! You got it right! It was a prearranged draw (with actual moves obviously agreed beforehand) in a situation where one player has 4 points and the other 3, being the only player able to catch the leader. In such circumstances, short draws are suspicious and must be looked at carefully. The TD, not uncharacteristically, was not looking for trouble and did not pay attention. I on the other hand was sitting just feet away, waiting for my opponent who was a couple of minutes late. When he arrived, the "game" was over, scoresheets signed and all as if they had pittbulls on their heels.
Mr Sambuev did not argue the facts on Parlons Echecs but tried to imply that since I too have played a few short draws before (among more than 2000 tournaments games) there must have been some prearranged ones. Well, he fell on the wrong customer. In that regard I am truly 'holy". Not once have I ever prearranged anything. Being unsocial as I am :) I don't even talk to my last round opponents!
By the way that game was important mostly for Mr Sapozhnikov. My share of second place would have been only slighly affected in case of a different result. Frankly, what I deplore the most is the general organizers' unwillingness to defend the integrity of chess, especially when top players are involved.
Thank you for posting this information.
Unsocial? Mais non. Argumentative? Sure...
Toutes ces parties avec Lesiege ont été vraiment joué? Juste sois l'homme et ne pleure pas. Je ne suis pas obligé de battre pour votre argent. P.S. Je suis fatigué de votre racisme. Il y a un seule idiot.
So what is Bator trying to say? That Hebert is a hypocrite? Ooooh nasty!
Not necessarily. In a way it would make the problem even more difficult to spot. Opening moves would simply become meaningless for cheater detection.
The interesting question is : why do two people agreeing to a draw beforehand seem to also need to agree on a particular sequence of moves (leading to three time repetition or a simplified position justifying the draw), which often can be a dead giveaway ? Wouldn't that be enough to simply agree to draw at some point, regardless of the position ?
The answer is that cheaters do not generally trust each other and they are absolutely right! Some cases are known in chess history where one guy seeing a favourable position appear on the board, changed his mind and turned down a draw agreed beforehand! Today's "professionnals" have learned from those times ;). And unfortunately they have also observed that in most cases they can get away with it.
So what is Bator trying to say? That Hebert is a hypocrite? Ooooh nasty!
It seems that your undestanding of french is far weaker than Kerry's ;). Otherwise you would like me find it more stupid than nasty. Many of those games listed did not even have impact on prize distribution, or made me lose significant amounts of money.
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