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The variety of individuals makes the world go round.......actually, I like individuals........I even have some individual friends....
What I don't like are:
1. systems that give individuals obscene influence/wealth for little reason (Inherited wealth = capital = advantage over labour).
2. Similarly I do not like it when one individual is obscenely wealthy from the system, yet the system demands a large pool of impoverished INDIVIDUALS to keep it running (Individuals who are in a couple, both working a few part-time jobs, and trying to raise two kids on minimum wage).
3. Individuals who are adamant about keeping the obscene wage gap between INDIVIDUALS around the world because they are winning (Due to advantages the system showers on them).
Yes, the common good should come before the individual......humans are a social species. But the rights of the Individual are also to be respected and protected from the tyranny of the majority, which can happen in any system.
Bob A (DM'er)
Bob,
You are not the only one who hates a system that give individuals obscene wealth generation power just because they have exclusive access to capital; Libertarians hate Capitalism too.
But as a Marxist you decide to have even a worse system that robs even truly hard and smart working individuals, with legal theft (in Socialism the theft is partial, and in Marxism it is total!)
Why do you not go for a system which gives everyone access to capital? Even laborers can join hands and become entrepreneurial laborers, if they are not happy with what their employer is offering them as wages...
How many times does someone have to remind you that legal theft is wrong when there are other fair ways to provide good opportunities to all (in which even the lazy bums would realize that they need to develop themselves and work to survive, and maybe start making a decent effort...)?
Hi Bob. It used to be the case that the CT software wouldn't accept a post if it was less than ten characters. Don't know if that's still the case but I figured sure+period+space+1010 would pass the constraint, if any.
The variety of individuals makes the world go round.......actually, I like individuals........I even have some individual friends....
What I don't like are:
1. systems that give individuals obscene influence/wealth for little reason (Inherited wealth = capital = advantage over labour).
2. Similarly I do not like it when one individual is obscenely wealthy from the system, yet the system demands a large pool of impoverished INDIVIDUALS to keep it running (Individuals who are in a couple, both working a few part-time jobs, and trying to raise two kids on minimum wage).
3. Individuals who are adamant about keeping the obscene wage gap between INDIVIDUALS around the world because they are winning (Due to advantages the system showers on them).
Yes, the common good should come before the individual......humans are a social species. But the rights of the Individual are also to be respected and protected from the tyranny of the majority, which can happen in any system.
Bob, you should know that Fascism is: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Marxism does often directly lead to Fascism as History shows us...
I doubt very much that feverish folks such as Bob A. will ever find their way back into the light of day.
They are so very very committed.
Truly afraid of the Individual and what can be achieved by the Individualist spirit.
And that's a cray thing!
How can you unionize an idea? Only by force ... sigh.
Bob A. and his ilk, are truly afraid of the Individual ... and that Dilip is a very tragic thing.
Last edited by Neil Frarey; Friday, 22nd September, 2023, 01:50 AM.
You do know that on the political spectrum, according to definitions generally accepted, Marxism and Fascism are polar opposites?
I'd prefer you disparagingly refer to DM as "Authoritarian Marxism", if you really intend in future to continue damning DM. Much preferred to "fascist DM systems (Your words)"
Bob A
Bob, you should know that Fascism is: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
Marxism does often directly lead to Fascism as History shows us...
He never provided answers (other than technobabble) to any questions addressed to him about Libertarianism,
Fortunately, there is no Libertarianism on the horizon so we can safely ignore him.
Of course Libertarianism will soon be having its small step beginnings in Canada with our next Prime Minister Pierre P!
And I do not answer questions from nasty trolls generally, for obvious reasons...
You do know that on the political spectrum, according to definitions generally accepted, Marxism and Fascism are polar opposites?
I'd prefer you disparagingly refer to DM as "Authoritarian Marxism", if you really intend in future to continue damning DM. Much preferred to "fascist DM systems (Your words)"
Bob A
I think it is now very apparent that Dilip has no clue. He never provided answers (other than technobabble) to any questions addressed to him about Libertarianism, then he turns around and says you guys won't answer HIS questions. He is always the pot calling the kettle black. Whenever anyone should put the foot down on his fantasy Libertarian idealist notions like his undefinable Natural Law, he screams "Troll!"
He wants to be a rich man with no limitations placed on him by society or the government. He sees Libertarianism as the pathway to his fantasy. He sees judges and police as incorruptible, yet lawyers are all liars and scumbags -- this is the hallmark of one who desires a pure police state.
Fortunately, there is no Libertarianism on the horizon so we can safely ignore him.
You do know that on the political spectrum, according to definitions generally accepted, Marxism and Fascism are polar opposites?
I'd prefer you disparagingly refer to DM as "Authoritarian Marxism", if you really intend in future to continue damning DM. Much preferred to "fascist DM systems (Your words)"
You are a wise man Fred. I am glad to see your posts were reinstated.
I am happy to be one of the silent observers, but you know, it is tempting.
I like to think that my previous post was more akin to turning the garden hose on them from a safe distance.
I see Dilip's reply to both of us is quite lame, best just to leave it hanging out there.
Have a nice day.
And you do not want to admit that you just have no relevant answer to the simple questions asked of you about your posts...
What else could one expect of folks who enjoy oil companies or the hard and smart working being put into unnecessary trouble by fascist DM systems...?
What is the old saying? Don't mud wrestle with pigs, because the pigs will enjoy it.......
You are a wise man Fred. I am glad to see your posts were reinstated.
I am happy to be one of the silent observers, but you know, it is tempting.
I like to think that my previous post was more akin to turning the garden hose on them from a safe distance.
I see Dilip's reply to both of us is quite lame, best just to leave it hanging out there.
Sorry Peter..........I felt I had opened the thread with the wrong name.....and I think only an Admin. can change it........I now call it "The Human Self-Government" thread. But formally it is:
If you'd like, I can make a joint post there of our two posts together.........that would give a very clear idea of both the proposal and the challenges (I don't call them problems or difficulties!). I'd also add in my original post that started you responding. Should I go ahead?
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