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And many of us appreciate that! Thanks also to Lucas!
i say thanks for nothing- Lucas Davies quoted -Dr. Fauci "asymptomatic spread has never been the driver of outbreaks." "and then Lucas Davies said he has since "strongly said the exact opposite"
Where and when did Dr. Fauci "strongly say the exact opposite" and if he did what what data did Dr. Fauci base this on? Given Dr Fauci the CDC's and Redfiled's continual backpedaling we need to hear what new data they base their statements on.
The key question is Why is there fear over meaningless “cases”? Up to 90% Coivd19 "cases" are false positives high PCR cycle thresholds on people who are not infectious. Even among the small % of actual true positives: it is good news because COVID ICU admins and deaths are at all-time lows. These healthy people are contributing to herd immunity.
We need to reevaluate the data based on this and decide if we really need lock downs and masks for a problem that is no more lethal than a normal flu re (fatalitiy rate is est at .10% to.26% compared to early estimates of 3.5%) and is in fact an easily treatable virus pre hospitalization for early COVID high risk patients. The whole policy of sending high risk patients home untreated and waiting until it is too late when they are in the hospital is a disaster and is and has been criminal.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Thursday, 17th September, 2020, 01:06 PM.
This thread makes me think about all the people who Google for symptoms and discover they have some rare affliction or they think they have problem X.
Those people may or may not take that information to their doctor... Most doctors are not at all happy wasting their time explaining that Google Doctor is worthless.
Think about who you should take advice/direction from: someone with YEARS of medical training and perhaps many more years of experience
versus someone who write a blog about something or other.
Double exclam, Kerry.
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
... I would ask you this simple question, How do you expect a mask with a three micron space to provide protection against a virus that is .12 microns large? Effectively you are describing throwing sand at a chain link fence. ...
What is the approximate diameter of the tiny globules of pus, mucus, and water that supposedly carry the virus from person to person? Maybe it's that number that makes some think that masks have some effectiveness.
Last edited by Peter McKillop; Thursday, 17th September, 2020, 01:22 PM.
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
What is the approximate diameter of the tiny globules of pus, mucus, and water that supposedly carry the virus from person to person? Maybe it's that number that makes some think that masks have some effectiveness.
That is an interesting question. The COVID19 virus itself is encapsulated in oil and does not mix with the water. The virus is approx .12 microns and the weaves between the n95 max are 3 microns. In fact N in N95 stands for "non oil resistant". There is PPE that can protect you against a virus but it is much more involved than the cloth masks (which are completely useless) that most people wear.
Do we shut down cites and wear masks for the influenza virus?....no. These decisions to continue masks and lock-downs at this point are not science based. Questions like the one you just asked are interesting.
That is an interesting question. The COVID19 virus itself is encapsulated in oil and does not mix with the water. The virus is approx .12 microns and the weaves between the n95 max are 3 microns. In fact N in N95 stands for "non oil resistant". There is PPE that can protect you against a virus but it is much more involved than the cloth masks (which are completely useless) that most people wear.
Do we shut down cites and wear masks for the influenza virus?....no. These decisions to continue masks and lock-downs at this point are not science based. Questions like the one you just asked are interesting.
200,000 people have died in the US from the Covid virus. When was the last time a flu outbreak caused a similar amount of fatalities? This is clearly more serious than the flu.
As far as wearing masks and lockdowns, it's a cost vs. benefit issue. For masks the cost is basically nothing, and there is obviously at least some benefit. Even if the benefit is small, this makes it worth doing.
200,000 people have died in the US from the Covid virus. When was the last time a flu outbreak caused a similar amount of fatalities? This is clearly more serious than the flu.
As far as wearing masks and lockdowns, it's a cost vs. benefit issue. For masks the cost is basically nothing, and there is obviously at least some benefit. Even if the benefit is small, this makes it worth doing.
Lockdowns it's a different calculation.
Low hospitalizations and lots of cases means the pandemic is over and the casedemic has begun. Stop trying to scare people. PCR positive are numerous false positives. Deaths are dropping to low low numbers.
"“...What was initially billed as a temporary measure to ‘flatten the curve’ and protect hospital capacity have become open-ended and ongoing restrictions aimed at a very different end -- stopping the spread of an infectious disease and preventing new cases from arising,” Stickman wrote. “After six months, there is no plan to return to a situation where there are no restrictions imposed upon the people of the Commonwealth,” he wrote. ..."
Low hospitalizations and lots of cases means the pandemic is over and the casedemic has begun. Stop trying to scare people. PCR positive are numerous false positives. Deaths are dropping to low low numbers.
Sid, I'd like to better understand your position on certain matters. The following paragraph was copied a few minutes ago from Johns Hopkins University's Coronavirus Resource Center:
The first case of COVID-19 in US was reported238 days ago on 21/01/2020. Since then, the country has reported 6,630,051 cases, and 196,763 deaths.
Now, are you saying that you consider 6,630,051 x 90% = 5,967,046 cases to be false positives? And does that, in turn, mean that you think data providers like JHU shoud be reporting accumulated US covid cases as 663,005? If that is the case, then how would you calculate the covid mortality rate?
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
Low hospitalizations and lots of cases means the pandemic is over and the casedemic has begun. Stop trying to scare people. PCR positive are numerous false positives. Deaths are dropping to low low numbers.
The US is still seeing upwards of 1000 deaths a day. In Canada deaths are low, but if we suddenly opened up borders and nightclubs, it could start going in the wrong direction.
It's not about scaring people, it's about making smart decisions within a risk vs. benefit framework. Wearing a mask, zero risk, some benefit, good idea. Opening schools, some risk, but large benefit, probably the right move. Allowing 10 000 people at a hockey game, high risk, not much benefit, probably not a good idea.
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