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  • Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
    If you check the stats for the US military you will see 93 deaths. Now I was always led to believe that the military were amongst the fittest in the country, annual fitness tests and daily exercise, and of course retired by age 55. So why the 93 deaths? (of course we know the virus is nasty) Now admittedly greater percentage of seniors, obese people, and people being indoors more are huge target areas but the question about the military is an interesting one. Why?
    93 doesn't seem too bad. It's less than 1/100th of one percent (to date) of the active-duty military population versus America as a whole at a little less than 1/10th of one percent (to date) of the whole population.
    "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
    "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
    "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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    • Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
      If you check the stats for the US military you will see 93 deaths. Now I was always led to believe that the military were amongst the fittest in the country, annual fitness tests and daily exercise, and of course retired by age 55. So why the 93 deaths? (of course we know the virus is nasty) Now admittedly greater percentage of seniors, obese people, and people being indoors more are huge target areas but the question about the military is an interesting one. Why?
      Speaking in Warren, Mich., Barely There Biden cited the number of confirmed cases and deaths from COVID-19 for the military, saying the armed forces had seen 118,984 cases and 6,114 deaths.

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      • Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
        If you check the stats for the US military you will see 93 deaths. Now I was always led to believe that the military were amongst the fittest in the country, annual fitness tests and daily exercise, and of course retired by age 55. So why the 93 deaths? (of course we know the virus is nasty) Now admittedly greater percentage of seniors, obese people, and people being indoors more are huge target areas but the question about the military is an interesting one. Why?
        There are a lot of generals and colonels who might not be super fit also there is likely a large number with underlying conditions which make them more vulnerable. Colonel Vindmann didn't look particularly fit at the impeachment hearing.

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        • Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post


          China has handled the virus better than any other nation on Earth.










          Hats off to those who could build a fully functional hospital in less than a week! (Obviously the government did not paralyse itself by imposing a myriad regulations on itself, as anyone in our so-called 'free' countries would have to reckon with if they ever attempted such a feat). BUT, the virus was spreading for months before they realized its existence, and could develop a reliable diagnostic test for it, months during which lots and lots of people would have travelled from Wuhan to Beijing, Shanghai, and elsewhere, and given that a short-term partial lockdown enforced in some Chinese cities could not have been sufficient because of spread from asymptomatic individuals...what really happened? Has a detailed analysis been published somewhere?
          Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Monday, 21st September, 2020, 10:18 PM.

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          • Here's an interesting article about life expectancy through the last century and a half.

            The first point they make is that although people commonly attribute our increasing life expectancy to reduced child mortality, that is actually not fully correct. Event though reduced child mortality is an awesome HUGE advancement, numbers bear out that, at any age, life expectancy has been steadily increasing. The article includes a very good 1700-2013 Life Expectancy by Age chart.

            Now, especially as we're in this pandemic, check out the graph at 1918. As expected, life expectancy dropped dramatically. But then there's another kicker: note that the OLDER one was at the time, the LESS the hit to their life expectancy. Now, at least partially, this might be due to the way that pandemic killed (immune system over-response). I guess we'll find out in the coming years.

            https://ourworldindata.org/its-not-j...ed-at-all-ages

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            • Spain has doubled its cases in the last 7 weeks and is now 8th in the world.

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              • Originally posted by Hans Jung View Post
                Spain has doubled its cases in the last 7 weeks and is now 8th in the world.
                CDC estimates COVID Survival estimates by age group

                0-19 years: 99.99997% survive
                20-49 years:99.9998% survive
                50-69 years:99.995% survive
                70+ years: 94.6% survive

                https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

















                Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Thursday, 24th September, 2020, 10:28 PM.

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                • Sidf there is more to life than simple survival.

                  There are many folks who are still suffering 6 months after having contracted the virus.

                  Personally, I would rather get the flu this winter than COVID.

                  Larry

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                  • Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

                    CDC estimates COVID Survival estimates by age group

                    0-19 years: 99.99997% survive
                    20-49 years:99.9998% survive
                    50-69 years:99.995% survive
                    70+ years: 99.946% survive

                    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html
                    It literally says that those numbers are "not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19."

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                    • Originally posted by Lucas Davies View Post

                      It literally says that those numbers are "not predictions or estimates of the expected impact of COVID-19."
                      Yes,it is described as "Scenario 5: "Current Best Estimate" for "pandemic planning scenarios." based on the references I would say
                      that a lot of effort went into these estimates. Infection Fatality Rate is very different than case Fatality Rate. that has been my whole point
                      is that Infections have been defined as cases that gave us the wrong data in the past. The fact is the PCR tests are overly sensitive and
                      pick up mostly trace RNA from dead non infectious viral particles.
                      Hence many non infectious infections very very few fatalities. among those under 70.

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                      • Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

                        Yes,it is described as "Scenario 5: "Current Best Estimate" for "pandemic planning scenarios." based on the references I would say
                        that a lot of effort went into these estimates. Infection Fatality Rate is very different than case Fatality Rate. that has been my whole point
                        is that Infections have been defined as cases that gave us the wrong data in the past. The fact is the PCR tests are overly sensitive and
                        pick up mostly trace RNA from dead non infectious viral particles.
                        Hence many non infectious infections very very few fatalities. among those under 70.
                        According to your source, there's an estimated 11:1 ratio of infections to reported cases.

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                        • Originally posted by Lucas Davies View Post

                          According to your source, there's an estimated 11:1 ratio of infections to reported cases.
                          Yes, exactly what you would expect when you set the PCR amplifcation rate to 47! The problem is that until recently this fact was not disclosed
                          and "infections" were defined as "cases" hence the huge increase in "cases".
                          Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Friday, 25th September, 2020, 01:56 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Larry Bevand View Post
                            Sidf there is more to life than simple survival.

                            There are many folks who are still suffering 6 months after having contracted the virus.

                            Personally, I would rather get the flu this winter than COVID.

                            Larry
                            How exactly do you expect to get infected by people who carry around dead non infectious viral debris?

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                            • Originally posted by Larry Bevand View Post
                              Sidf there is more to life than simple survival.

                              There are many folks who are still suffering 6 months after having contracted the virus.

                              Personally, I would rather get the flu this winter than COVID.

                              Larry
                              I agree that COVID presents a much higher threat than simply fatalities.
                              This grinding erosion to our health care system leads to Excess Deaths.
                              I guess some people won't believe this until they lose someone they know.
                              A simple example is delayed tumour removal that becomes unremoveable.
                              Some infection survivors will understandably have reduced life expectancy.
                              And as they fade earlier, they'll add more grinding erosion to health care.
                              Is our biggest challenge people who don't "get" the aggregate risks?!

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                              • Originally posted by Aris Marghetis View Post

                                I agree that COVID presents a much higher threat than simply fatalities.
                                This grinding erosion to our health care system leads to Excess Deaths.
                                I guess some people won't believe this until they lose someone they know.
                                A simple example is delayed tumour removal that becomes unremoveable.
                                Some infection survivors will understandably have reduced life expectancy.
                                And as they fade earlier, they'll add more grinding erosion to health care.
                                Is our biggest challenge people who don't "get" the aggregate risks?!
                                The biggest risk is sending people with symptoms home to self isolate untreated and returning to the hospital when it is too late. The virus is easily treatable when treated early.
                                The way this crisis was handled in Canada was and is criminal. Four different treatments for early high risk patients that have been successful! Gov interference in a Doctor patient relationship is a crime against humanity.

                                https://www.firstpost.com/health/ban...s-8381321.html

                                https://cf5e727d-d02d-4d71-89ff-9fe2...8d4308c42c.pdf

                                https://covid19criticalcare.com/math...-85a61317-47b4

                                https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1


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