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It is one thing for the "Naturalists to say that this is part of a longer process in time, of eons, that man is not the main driver, and that it has been worse before. One might agree that, at least, this raises some rational argument.
But many "naturalists" do admit that at the moment, there are more people on the planet than last time, and that, indeed, the environment is slowly (Slower than the "anthropogenicists say) getting more hostile to the human species. So the second time around is going to cause a lot of people dislocation, as it did in earlier phases (Do I get the Naturalists right here?).
But it is entirely something else (Irrational argument) for "climate change deniers" to claim, in the face of world evidence of collateral damage to persons, that "nothing is going on"!
They may claim that what is going on has happened before (That is, it is not "unusual" in that sense). But to deny it is "unusual" for the people of the current time, right now, when we have never faced such hostile environmental changes for multi-centuries, is merely "wishful thinking". I expect that these people will be scrambling to adapt like everyone else who is a realist as the clock ticks closer to midnight..
What will be their explanation for their struggling to adapt, at that time?
Bob A
Many months ago, I mentioned in this thread that the economics of climate change and its effects will override any other aspect of climate change. In other words, it is useless for Sid to argue that we are going to be ok because the temperature was much warmer X thousand years ago when in TODAY'S world, economic trends due to climate change will accelerate and eventually cause recession and then depression to occur.
The example I gave was the stresses occurring around the world in the insurance sector.
The stresses are now building up to enormous levels. It is affecting the entire housing market in North America, not just in Texas and Florida.
In the '60s, '70's, '80s, '90s the U.S. had annual breakouts of tornados, hurricanes, hailstorms, forest fires, floods etc and the insurance industry in those times was NOT in peril. Now the situation is much different. The industry is in peril and the entire real estate industry is on the verge of collapse because of it. And that collapse will cause a major domino effect across all other economic sectors.
Trillions of dollars in household wealth is likely to be wiped out. It could happen overnight. And it is all due to the effects of climate change. Of course, the pandemic didn't help matters, but even without the pandemic, things would be just about as bad in real estate as they are.
The government will have to come to the rescue, with state-funded insurance, causing another huge increase in government debt.
The smart people will see that this is unsustainable. Fiat currency is counting down to getting demolished. Ownership of precious metals is just about the only way to survive what is coming.... and / or ownership of very well-stocked survival bunkers to ride out the economic storm.
My statement in my last post was not a personal attack.
It was a true objective fact statement, confirmed by the response.
Bob A
Of course it was a personal attack, accusing me of not knowing climate vs. weather.
In my post, I was not referring to climate change, but to climate-anxiety, which unfortunately is nowadays fashionable to have, whether related to true climate-change or not..
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Tuesday, 26th December, 2023, 02:58 PM.
Dilip doesn't know the difference between "weather" and "Climate".
Bob A
I do, Bob. Your climate anxiety peaks when some place records the highest ever temperature; so let it be alleviated when some other place records the lowest ever temperature...
and do not imitate your co-marxist by using personal attacks, okay?
Sid, your new independent group, Clintel is making some rather bold statements. Certainly in sync with the fossil fuel industry and the new COP28 President.
The trouble, as I see it, you are just wrong. We are indeed in a climate emergency. Not that the wolrd will end in 7 years or anything silly like that, but that the more we delay concrete action, the more difficult it will be to solve the problem. Admitting there is a problem and having a realistic plan to take corrective action is the solution.
While you may argue the alarmists were being too alarmist, the penduluum has now swung even further in the opposite direction.
After reading some of Syd Ballzborg's recent posts, I've concluded that deliberately misspelling the name of the person you're talking to is the latest mindless ChessTalk fad, so, greetings Dollop Pandawanda!!
Dollop, the part of your post that I 'bolded' is interesting. Do you have a link to an article, or the name of a book, that influenced your thinking on this point?
The rest of your post, in a very general way, makes sense too. One example, if people are so concerned about shutting down carbon emissions then why aren't competing, reliable energy sources being aggressively developed? Where are the nuclear power plants?
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