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"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey -
Trump arrived too late to Tuesday's debate to get tested: https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1312134788573089792
While Biden's family wore masks for the entirety of the debate, Trump's family took theirs off, directly violating the safety rules put in place by the Cleveland Clinic. An official came up and offered them masks, but the family waved them away. Afterwards, Melania walked right past Chris Wallace without wearing a mask. During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for wearing a mask in situations Trump thought unnecessary: https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/1...during-debate/
After testing positive, Trump's campaign did not notify Biden; he only found out through the news: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...id-19-exposure
Mike Lee, who has now tested positive, hugging people at the SCOTUS announcement: https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/stat...64332306542592
A picture of people at the SCOTUS announcement with those who have now tested positive circled in red; of the people sitting, next to nobody is wearing a mask: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjXYa3jW...jpg&name=large
Herman Caine and other Republicans ignoring social distancing and mask guidelines; Herman Caine tested positive a little over a week later and ultimately died from COVID: https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/st...89632886075398
Kellyanne Conway's daughter now saying that her mother lied about her test and spent all day with her: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjXl8qRU...g&name=900x900
Just some of the many examples showing why people say that Trump and other Republicans haven't taken COVID seriously enough. This is all after Trump spent MONTHS refusing to be publicly photographed wearing a mask. People have died and more still will because of this cavalier attitude.Last edited by Lucas Davies; Friday, 2 October, 2020, 09:17 PM.Comment
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On wearing a mask agree 100%.Originally posted by Lucas Davies View Post
Amazing how Nancy Pelosi said that wayyy back in January calling Trump's ban on air travel ... immoral!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...d2a_video.html
And here's her sidekick Chuck Schumer ... with the same ignorant display...
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...chumer-sot.cnn
So, let's recap shall we?
He enacts a partial ban on air travel coming in from China wayyy back in January ... and gets crushed ... for banning air travel from China.
He is late to wear a face mask, although he had his Surgeon General, Dr. Jerome Adams, instruct the American public on how to wear a face covering ... wayyy back in April! And he still gets crushed???
Again ... in January he begins to ban air travel in an attempt to curtail the spread of COVID-19 and in April he advises the American public to wear a face covering through his Surgeon General in an attempt to curtail the transmission of COVID-19 !!!
You're not using COVID-19 as a political weapon ... are you???
You kiddies talk a good game ...sigh.
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You know that I'm right when Trump and those who defend him can only bring things up the same few things that happened over six months ago over and over again. Trump didn't publicly wear a mask until JULY. The stuff that I posted happened THIS WEEK. He and other Republican leaders show up on TV all the time not wearing masks and not social distancing. What kind of a message do you think this sends to the public, particularly when there are already so many people who still doubt the severity of the virus and still refuse to wear masks?
Since you clearly need some new material, here you go: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53994209
And yes, I condemn her for this as well. However, whatever bad stuff Pelosi has done in no way takes away from anything that I've said.Comment
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"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De QuinceyComment
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Thanks again Lucas for all your great posts!Originally posted by Lucas Davies View Post
To further expand on your last point, I am just so sick and tired of when a Person A does something wrong and is called out on it, the main reaction of that Person A and his defenders is to call out something alleged to a Person B. Especially something not directly related. It's amazing how folk USE various Person B narratives in order to EXCUSE actual Person A transgressions. How about this: when a Person A does something wrong: admit it, apologize appropriately, and we can all move on with mutual respect. That rarely seems to happen any more. Few people OWN their actions.Comment
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Originally posted by Neil Frarey View PostHere's one you can read with your morning coffee.Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/tr...261?ri18n=true
And some more:
Last edited by Peter McKillop; Saturday, 3 October, 2020, 12:55 PM."We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De QuinceyComment
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New antibody cocktail given to Trump. Includes zinc and Vitamin D, but doesn't contain HCQ which he was on a few months ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.co.../%3Famp%3DtrueLast edited by Erik Malmsten; Saturday, 3 October, 2020, 11:40 AM.Comment
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Doctors put Trump on Remedesevir. It was a few months ago when Trump tried HCQ.Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
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An article from April 29 appears to contradict what you're claiming Fauci said. Here's a quote from the article:Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
One question- Are you aware that Dr. Fauci called Remedesevir "the standard of care" that has zero papers showing it has any efficacy for saving lives? I could go on but that alone disqualifies him as credible. Early treatment of COVID has saved lives around the world ....but not in Canada or the US where patients are sent home untreated to self isolate and return to the hospital when it is too late. Sorry Garland, but the emperor has no clothes!
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"National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony S. Fauci, MD, said today that data from a multinational randomized control trial showed that Gilead’s investigational antiviral remdesivir “has a clear-cut significant positive effect in diminishing time to recovery” for patients with COVID-19."
And here's the full article:
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De QuinceyComment
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Originally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
The video I included shows exactly what Dr. Fauci said. No need to search for an article when you can get it right from the horse's mouth.
Here is what subsequently happened to patients in France, the trial was terminated because 4 of the initial five patients suffered severe kidney failure,
https://www.physiciansweekly.com/cas...vir-in-france/
Lancet paper
Scientific papers show the drug to be totally ineffective except prophylactically which would be impractical for this treatment or immediately on infection. For COVID19 it is not known for a day or two after infection.so it is both toxic and ineffective.
"appear to affect rates of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) viral RNA load decline and mortality when compared with placebo."
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...021-3/fulltextLast edited by Sid Belzberg; Saturday, 3 October, 2020, 11:01 PM.Comment
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Trump was taking HCQ prophylactically for a short time and then stopped. The Remedesevir will not help him but could have toxic side effects (see above post). He should be ok because he is also taking regeneron that uses a monoclonal antibody that should work unless the virus mutates.Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View PostComment
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So why is it that medical people, who presumably know a lot more about this than you or me, are giving remdesivir to Trump? New and positive info about remdesivir, or a sign of desperation (i.e. Trump's condition is worse than is being reported)?Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
p.s. https://www-marketwatch-com.cdn.ampp...-19-2020-10-02
p.p.s. I tried to watch your video but got a message that said something like, "the uploader has not made this video available in your country."Last edited by Peter McKillop; Saturday, 3 October, 2020, 04:44 PM."We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De QuinceyComment
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I provided research on this subject. The Lancet article poses questions about past research on Remdesevir that questions how this drug could be useful at all .. This paper just came out and is the first placebo based study on humans and sadly does not look good. The most interesting question posed however, was thisOriginally posted by Peter McKillop View Post
"With in vitro and animal evidence suggesting remdesivir is optimally suited for viral prophylaxis or immediately following viral inoculation, why would there have been any reason to expect a different outcome in humans, where SARS-CoV-2 has a median incubation period of 4 days?"
The scientific evidence is that in the real world it does not work. It did not work in France and did not work here. I only provide data about what is. i do not speculate about "why". I rely on scientific papers, not on articles from journalists.Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Saturday, 3 October, 2020, 05:04 PM.Comment
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