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  • Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post


    Freedom to exploit workers,
    Freedom to exploit the environment,
    Freedom to impose my religious beliefs onto others,
    Freedom to hate and threaten others,
    etc.etc.

    This is what comes to the mind of criminals, when they hear the word freedom. Pierre did say in his speech yesterday that he will ensure that criminals are put in jail... rather than obstruct free enterprise for Canadians...
    He also said that the solution to climate woes lies in technology...

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    • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

      Pierre did say in his speech yesterday that he will ensure that criminals are put in jail... rather than obstruct free enterprise for Canadians...
      That sounds like an election promise to arrest peaceful environmental protesters.
      Think of the trees. Who will be left to hug the trees?

      Hypothetical question: Suppose we get 100% agreement that climate change is real and caused primarily by mankind. Obviously, that will never happen. We can not even get 100% agreement the earth is not flat. But just suppose, just humour me please, for one minute, suppose everyone agrees burning fossil fuels will kill us all eventually, does your political philosophy allow for regulation to curb the fossil fuel industry?
      Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Sunday, 11th September, 2022, 10:17 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post

        suppose burning fossil fuels will kill us all eventually...
        That will not happen if we let free enterprise build technology to prevent it...

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        • Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post

          peaceful environmental protesters...
          ...like the peaceful truckers who blocked the roads in Ottawa?

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          • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

            That will not happen if we let free enterprise build technology to prevent it...
            You avoided Bob G.'s question, something you are very good at doing.

            But we can see that your answer is: NO, your political philosophy DOES NOT allow for regulation to curb the fossil fuel industry.

            Oh, so this Pierre fellow said yesterday that he will ensure criminals will be put in jail? But he didn't define "criminals" did he? We'll find out later, if he gets elected, that his definition of criminals are those who support human rights and environmental health first and foremost, AHEAD OF industry and jobs.



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            • Hey Bob A and Bob G,
              What do you think of the following statement in a CBC article, https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/tipp...ment-1.6577630
              'the Greenland Ice Sheet collapse would happen over 10,000 years once triggered, spreading its effect on the global weather system and sea-level rise over a long period.'
              Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Sunday, 11th September, 2022, 10:05 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post
                Hey Bob A and Bob G,
                What do you think of the following statement in a CBC article, https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/tipp...ment-1.6577630
                'the Greenland Ice Sheet collapse would happen over 10,000 years once triggered, spreading its effect on the global weather system and sea-level rise over a long period.'
                Dilip this data I previously posted underscores the validity of that point.
                https://forum.chesstalk.com/forum/ch...588#post221588

                Here is an abstract from the source.
                https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11789
                Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Monday, 12th September, 2022, 05:53 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

                  Dilip this data I previously posted underscores the validity of that point.
                  https://forum.chesstalk.com/forum/ch...588#post221588

                  Here is an abstract from the source.
                  https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11789
                  Thanks, Sid!

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                  • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post
                    Hey Bob A and Bob G,
                    What do you think of the following statement in a CBC article, https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/tipp...ment-1.6577630
                    'the Greenland Ice Sheet collapse would happen over 10,000 years once triggered, spreading its effect on the global weather system and sea-level rise over a long period.'
                    Oh well, now that's an interesting claim. Do they mean that it would take 10,000 years for the Greenland Ice Sheet to completely melt? Or 10,000 years to "collapse" ? Precisely what does collapse mean? I don't mean that to be argumentative, but I have tried to do the math myself to answer the question, if Greenland completely melted, how much does the sea level rise?

                    It should be a simple math problem. You take the mass of the ice sheet (volume) and spread it over the surface area of the oceans. That should give you the sea level rise, but then over what period of time?

                    Obviously, when we say 10,000 years, then any claim of urgency becomes laughable. But wait a minute, do the math.

                    I see recently the claim is that by 2100 melting of Greenland Ice sheet will raise seal level by 1 foot.
                    So how do we check the validity of this claim in light of the 10,000 year estimate for melting? If that is what they are saying.

                    If anyone wants to do the math:

                    What is the volume of ice in the Greenland Ice Sheet?
                    What is surface area of Oceans?
                    What is the percentage estimate of Greenland Ice Sheet melting by year 2100?
                    Show your work.

                    I would love to work on this question, but I don't have the time.
                    Bob A., I leave the research to you.

                    I do recall doing a similar calculation for Antarctica on another thread. Maybe chesstalk moderator would be kind enough to move the old climate change thread to our non chess forum so we can access all those old discussions.






                    Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Monday, 12th September, 2022, 08:29 AM.

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                    • Here is a fascinating TED talk expanding the discussion

                      ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za6d...ab_channel=TED

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                      • Climate Change & World Population

                        Conspiracy Theories: Nature, or a covert elite governing the planet, will reduce the planetary stress of overpopulation through climate change. Saving the planet and the species requires this radical medicine.

                        "Towards the end of 2022, the human population on Earth is expected to reach eight billion. To mark the occasion, BBC Future takes a look at one of the most controversial issues of our time. Are there too many of us? Or is this the wrong question?"

                        https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...=pocket-newtab

                        So what do ChessTalkers think of this one?

                        ~ Bob A (T-S/P)

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                        • Total fertility rate - The World Factbook (cia.gov)
                          1 Niger 6.82 2022 est.
                          2 Angola 5.83 2022 est.
                          3 Congo, Democratic Republic of the 5.63 2022 est.
                          4 Mali 5.54 2022 est.
                          5 Chad 5.46 2022 est.
                          6 Benin 5.43 2022 est.
                          7 Uganda 5.36 2022 est.
                          8 South Sudan 5.32 2022 est.
                          9 Somalia 5.31 2022 est.
                          10 Burundi 5.03 2022 est.
                          "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                          • CT Negative Anthropogenic Climate Change (NACC) Thread


                            Week # 37 (22/9/6 – 22/9/12 – 7 days)

                            Weekly Stats:
                            .....................................................2022 Average..........................................................2022 Average
                            Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day..........Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day
                            Views/Day........Views/Day.............(37 wks.)........Responses/Day....Resp./Day......... (37 wks.).

                            ...66..........................70..........................51........................6.....................6......................3.........

                            Background

                            Since Aug., 2022, we have been part of the new CT forum called “The Non-Chess Forum”. Our “Climate Change” thread, and one on COVID-19, were then moved out of the “Open Forum”, which is the homepage by default, and into this new forum. Since then the non-chess topics have slowly started to grow.


                            Analysis of Last Weeks Stats


                            The bottom line is that activity has been increasing throughout 2022......each week now, we are well ahead of the 2022 Average.The climate change issue among ChessTalker's is continuing to grab attention!


                            Climate Change Thread “Responses”


                            There are lots of climate change articles out there.

                            This thread encourages CT'ers to re-post responses here when they see climate change posts of interest elsewhere. ChessTalker's have been quite active here, posting “responses”.

                            I personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least every 2nd day, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this.


                            The Pressing Climate Change Issue

                            The core issue:


                            Building a sense of URGENCY on this issue in society. We must realize that we cannot kick it down the road any longer!

                            The public is aware of the climate change issue.......

                            BUT.....

                            climate activists must find strategies to “AWAKEN” the public to the “urgency”.

                            The Time Line

                            Nature's Tipping point is estimated to be, on current trajectory, only 9 years away (Around Jan. 1, 2031). Capping the temperature rise at only 1.5 degrees Celsius is now impossible (UN Climate Change Panel's most recent report). UNCCP noted that current government deadlines were totally insufficient to solve the problem. CO 2 must be capped by 2025! And for the first time, CO 2 “removal” has now become a necessary part of the solution, along with eliminating spewing of greenhouse gases into our atmosphere.

                            Our window of opportunity is fast closing.

                            The Large Picture Solutions

                            Can we come up with at least one or two viable suggestions of impressive, radical things that might wake up the public, that we could then put out there to other concerned client activists?

                            CT'ers' Local Actions on Climate Change

                            You can do something! When you like one of this thread's links on an aspect of climate change, spread the news by posting it to your social media accounts and other Websites/Discussion Boards you participate in!

                            ~ Bob (T-S/P)

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                            • Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                              Climate Change & World Population

                              Conspiracy Theories: Nature, or a covert elite governing the planet, will reduce the planetary stress of overpopulation through climate change. Saving the planet and the species requires this radical medicine.

                              "Towards the end of 2022, the human population on Earth is expected to reach eight billion. To mark the occasion, BBC Future takes a look at one of the most controversial issues of our time. Are there too many of us? Or is this the wrong question?"

                              https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...=pocket-newtab

                              So what do ChessTalkers think of this one?

                              ~ Bob A (T-S/P)
                              Better show this to your "fact checkers" at the WEF-controlled BBC!

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate

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                              Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Tuesday, 13th September, 2022, 11:42 AM.

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                              • Negative Anthropogenic Climate Change (NACC)

                                Carbon Capture


                                "How central is carbon capture to reaching net zero?

                                While the use of carbon capture, utilisation and storage in tackling emissions has been debated, scientists say the technology will play an essential role."

                                https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlig...climate-change

                                ~ Bob A (T-S/P)

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