COVID-19 ... how we cope :)

[Neil Frarey]

Apologies, I must have missed where my niece's NYC death certificate listed "Gov. M. Cuomo" as the cause of death.

Sorry for your loss, Sam.

[Pargat Perrer]

Listen to the video of Trudeau I posted. He is the one that politicized as an "opportunity". Meanwhile, his administration proceeded to murder a
huge percentage of the elderly population in this country by denying them effective treatments of early interventions including ivermectin or even nutraceuticals
that allowed other countries to get through the pandemic comparitively unscathed.
Instead, do nothing, wait until victims are blue in the face, send them to a hospital put them on a ventilator where about 2 in 10 people survive if they do not get their lungs blown out.
The virus has been easily treatable since the beginning and still is. Lockdowns, masks, and business closures are yet another great harm that is being done to people
This is about fighting tyranny and dictatorship under the thin disguise of claiming to help people. This is not unique to Canada. It is an international problem where I can think of only a dozen countries that adapted early treatment and did not need dangerous experimental gene therapies AKA Vax's lockdowns masks, etc. They did not bow down to the WHO, GAVI the CCP, and all the other thugs behind this crime against humanity.

I didn't know my post was going to set off a firestorm, and to Sam Sharpe, my sincere condolences for loss of a precious family member.

I think if there MIGHT be any truth to Sid's talk about early treatment using nutraceuticals (and I try to be open-minded about it with no thought of the political aspects), then it needs to be explored. Sid, I wonder: is there any person or organization who could muster enough capital to make a private-enterprise effort to get these nutraceuticals to the people who need them, as a philanthropic effort? I'm thinking of a Bill Gates or a Warren Buffet... someone that you and others who are on the nutraceutical bandwagon can approach and ask for such an effort. There might be risks, for example if someone on the nutraceuticals has some reaction and dies or suffers some disability, then a lawsuit could ensue... so there would have to be money set aside to cover for that possibility.... I guess I'm just asking if there can be any way around the fact that the governments of the U.S. and Canada are not on this path? Is the government the only way to make it happen?

[Hans Jung]

Russia is the seventh country to go over 100,000 deaths.

[Sid Belzberg]

Russia is the seventh country to go over 100,000 deaths.

Correction...85000 murders, 15000 deaths. Early treatment reduces hospitalization by 85%+.

http://ivmmeta.com

[Brian Profit]

You truly are a distasteful person.

Agreed 100%. A complete idiot who rants on a chess message board about covid because no one else will listen to him. He is trying to make himself relevant, but he is not.

[Aris Marghetis]

Russia is the seventh country to go over 100,000 deaths.

So something interesting about Russia in relation to Canada:
I regularly look at deaths per capita across these dozen countries (chosen just across my personal interest):

quite good: New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea
bigger waves: United Kingdom, Ireland, United States, Mexico, Greece, Czechia
smoother waves: Canada, Russia

I'm noting that Canada and Russia have relatively similar lack of bigger waves that devastate other countries.
Any thoughts on that? Maybe cultural/compliance similarity? Maybe seasonal weather similarity? Maybe fluke?

[Victor Itkine]

quite good: New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, South Korea

Taiwan is a separate lesson how to properly fight covid-19. Instead of curing millions of people from the virus, they are simply not allowing it to spread. To be fair to other countries, Taiwan have had information about this virus approximately one month prior than others (in the end of November - beginning of December 2019) due to regular informal contacts between Taiwanese and Chines populations.

And Taiwan was able to take advantage of this information. Starting from approximately December 3rd, 2019 and up to date, they are putting everyone (!) who entrees the country for 14 day quarantine. As the result, they have 10 deaths only from covid-19 in total (population of Taiwan is 23.5 Million). 7 of these 10 deaths happened by May 12, 2019. Only 3 more people have died since that time for almost an entire year.

So, if you order quarantine at a proper time without delay and without exemptions, you don't need to do it later for months, and don't need to massively treat the virus.

[Bob Gillanders]

Aris, I ain't gonna touch that question with a 10 foot pole. It will be a long time before we understand fully exactly what worked and what didn't, and an even longer time before we can agree on anything. But, how the global community handles this crisis will be important to the continuation of civilization.

We have several vaccines now. The rich nations are slowly getting vaccinated, but most of the world is waiting for their turn. I have heard the UN has an agency whose mandate is to see that poorer nations participate, but it is mostly being ignored. A global program is needed to distribute vaccines quickly. The vaccine formulae should be shared and hundreds of manufacturing facilities converted to produce vaccines quickly. We do have almost 8 billion people to protect.

Cooperation on a global scale is needed. There will be more viruses in the future. Then we have water shortages coming. Drinkable water that is. Global solutions will be needed. Then we have climate change to deal with. Pollution, soil erosion, food shortages. etc. etc.

We had better get our act together fast, the future is here.

Have a nice day everyone.

[Brad Thomson]

Global solutions will be needed.

Yes, and a radical reduction in the population of the planet is our only hope. If we do not do it intelligently ourselves by a vast, organized campaign explaining to people the need to voluntarily not reproduce, then nature will do it for us, which is already happening.

[Brad Thomson]

...who rants on a chess message board about covid because no one else will listen to him.

It can be frustrating to have strong beliefs that no one will listen to, especially if one has been expressing those beliefs for years and years and they are now coming true before our eyes.

[Brian Profit]

It can be frustrating to have strong beliefs that no one will listen to, especially if one has been expressing those beliefs for years and years and they are now coming true before our eyes.

If people are not listening to you, there is a reason. And the reason is not necessarily that they are trying to kill people and keep you quiet.

[Sid Belzberg]

Taiwan is a separate lesson how to properly fight covid-19. Instead of curing millions of people from the virus, they are simply not allowing it to spread. To be fair to other countries, Taiwan have had information about this virus approximately one month prior than others (in the end of November - beginning of December 2019) due to regular informal contacts between Taiwanese and Chines populations.
So, if you order quarantine at a proper time without delay and without exemptions, you don't need to do it later for months, and don't need to massively treat the virus.

Early intervention is the reason these countries escaped the Pandemic comparatively unscathed. Lockdowns are a total fraud as is the notion of asymptomatic transmission that this is based on. “Asymptomatic and symptomatic Covid-19 patients contain similar levels of SARSCoV2-specific Tcell memory.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22036-z
Here is a graph of deaths per million. All the Asian countries that have early intervention protocols did great. Israel that is the most vaccinated country in the world
is doing even worst than Canada that is one of the least vaccinated countries.



Here is an analysis one of my colleagues did regarding early intervention in Asian countries:

"That link in the first post with the list of Asian countries with national protocols prescribing EARLY treatment with antivirals for COVID.

If those investigators trying to unravel the mystery of radically reduced fatalities in Asian countries had just asked the question of treatment, and then hearing it over and over again, “We use antivirals for EARLY treatment”, ”We use antivirals for EARLY treatment”, “We use antivirals for EARLY treatment”, then even lay people reading these investigators reports would have understood that using antivirals EARLY is important for bringing the virus under control."

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In China:

Chinese Clinical Guidance for COVID-19 Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment (7th edition)
Page Views 浏览量: 145539 Updated 发布时间:2020-03-16 12:00:32


http://kjfy.meetingchina.org/msite/n...w/cn/3337.html

And:

Health 17:30, 26-May-2020
COVID-19 treatment: Antivirals, anti-inflammatory drugs, blood thinner and mechanical ventilation
Updated 22:28, 26-May-2020
Antiviral treatment
Ranko Škrbić, dean of the Department of Pharmacology at University of Banja Luka, asked about the most effective antiviral therapy that has been used in the Chinese hospital against the coronavirus.
Hou Xinguo, Deputy Director of Endocrinology Department at Qilu Hospital, said that several antiviral drugs including alpha-interferon, ribavirin and abidol have been recommended in the COVID-19 diagnosis and treatment guideline issued by China's health authorities. But based on their clinical experience, the antivirals could be useful on patients only at the early stage of infection, as they did not have significant effects on severely ill patients.
He added that according to the guideline, no more than two antiviral drugs should be used in combination.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-2...tNe/index.html
And:

Published online 2020 Oct 8. doi: 10.1080/20016689.2020.1818446
PMCID: PMC7580738
PMID: 33133431
Chinese guidelines related to novel coronavirus pneumonia
Tingting Qiu, Shuyao Liang, Monique Dabbous, Yitong Wang, Ru Han, and Mondher Toumi
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7580738/

In South Korea:

Gov't recommends use of antiviral drugs for COVID-19 treatment
Published on Feb 13, 2020
'고령•중증에 에이즈치료제 권장'…코로나19 치료원칙 나왔다
South Korea has unveiled a set of treatment guidelines for COVID-19.
It consists of administering an anti-HIV medication twice a day.
This is the nation's first treatment protocol for those who show severe symptoms.
Kim Jae-hee has our top story.
Infectious disease experts in South Korea have agreed to the use of antiviral drugs in the treatment of severe coronavirus cases, senior patients, and those with underlying diseases.
On the other hand, it was concluded that young patients, or those with mild symptoms, seemed to have improved after 10 days and without any antiviral treatment.
"Young and healthy people have mostly shown improvement without any special treatment. But older patients or those with underlying diseases are in need of the medication from an early stage."
Expert says differences in treatment depending on a patient's age is actually quite normal.
"Most viral infections tend to heal even without any treatment... thanks to our body's immune system. But old age in itself can raise risks,... and many senior patients have underlying diseases, so it's recommended that they undergo antiviral treatment."
The government's guidelines recommend Kaletra, an anti-retroviral medication used to treat AIDS for a duration of 7 to 10 days.
Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine, a medication used to prevent and treat Malaria can be used as an alternative.
But experts says, while the government's announcement may sound promising, it might not make much of a difference to current treatment metThere won't be a significant difference in the treatment methods. It's an antiviral drug that we are already using, and its effectiveness has not been fully proven. It's still just a recommendation."
But the expert is optimistic, saying that the recurrence rate of the novel coronavirus is low.
"It seems unlikely that a recovered patient will catch the virus again. In fact, there are very few reports of patients being re-infected when they've recovered from other coronavirus diseases such as SARS and MERS."
He added that all seven of the patients who have made full recoveries in South Korea had no serious underlying diseases, and are unlikely to be re-infected.
Kim Jae-hee, Arirang News.
#Wuhan #coronavirus #drugs
Gov't recommends use of antiviral drugs for COVID-19 treatment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEGPtf7QGSM

In Taiwan:

Interim Guidelines for Clinical Management of SARS-CoV-2 Infection
(5th edition)
Translation Editor-in-Chief Prof. Wang-Huei Sheng, M.D. PhD et al.
Affiliation Department of Medicine, National Taiwan University
Ministry of Health and Welfare
Taiwan Centers for Disease Control
March 26th, 2020



https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/File/Get/_...jLcNeRvlnrPgUg




In Hong Kong:

News > Medscape Medical News
Triple Antiviral Combo May Speed COVID-19 Recovery
Neil Osterweil
May 11, 2020
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/930336
(May need free registration.)




In Thailand:


Am J Trop Med Hyg. 2020 Jul; 103(1): 48–54.
Published online 2020 May 18. doi: 10.4269/ajtmh.20-0442
PMCID: PMC7356442
PMID: 32431287
Critical Care Management of Patients with COVID-19: Early Experience in Thailand
Ranistha Ratanarat,1,* Chaisith Sivakorn,2 Tanuwong Viarasilpa,1 and Marcus J. Schultz3,4,5
Antiviral treatment before ICU admission.


Thailand has set national guidelines for antiviral treatment. Patients with mild symptoms receive chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine plus a boosted protease inhibitor, lopinavir or darunavir plus ritonavir. Favipiravir is not recommended in mild cases because of its limited availability.8
Favipiravir is an antiviral RNA polymerase inhibitor for which most preclinical data are derived from its influenza and Ebola activity.16 It is given to all patients with proven COVID-19 who have symptoms or signs consistent with pneumonia, or when there is hypoxemia (SpO2 < 95% on room air).8

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7356442/




In Singapore:


Interim Treatment Guidelines for COVID-19 (Version 1.0, dated 2 April 2020)


ABSTRACT Background In December 2019, pneumonia cases caused by a novel coronavirus occurred in Wuhan, Hubei Province. As of 11th February 2020, the World Health Organisation has officially named the disease “COVID-19”. In addition, virologists in the coronavirus study group have officially announced the name of the virus to be “SARS-CoV-2”. This guideline provides evidence-based recommendations on the therapeutic management of patients with COVID-19 in Singapore.



https://www.ncid.sg/Health-Professio...9%20-final.pdf

[Brad Thomson]

If people are not listening to you, there is a reason. And the reason is not necessarily that they are trying to kill people and keep you quiet.

Agreed. I am reminded of something that the German philosopher Schopenhauer wrote: "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

[Victor Itkine]

Early intervention is the reason these countries escaped the Pandemic comparatively unscathed. Lockdowns are a total fraud as is the notion of asymptomatic transmission...

Sid,

I totally agree with you that early intervention is the major key for success (although 85% is a bit overstated). But early intervention is not the first level of defence - it is the second one.

1. First level is not to allow virus spread in the country. That is exactly what Taiwan did. They did not close economy, they did not make lockdowns for everybody. They just put into quarantine everyone who entered the country. And for Taiwan this was the major reason, why they were such successful in fighting covid-19. They totally have had 1,050 cases only with 10 total deaths. Their case per million rate (44) is more than an order of magnitude less than mortality per million rate (609) in Canada. And Canada is not the worst. In Taiwan there were only about 200-300 people who needed any treatment. Perhaps, there was an early intervention for them as well, but in case of Taiwan this was a secondary matter.

2. If the country is not able to put everyone entering the boarder into quarantine (unfortunately, most countries were not able), then an early intervention becomes the second major factor.

3. And if early intervention was not applied - than in some situations lockdowns are reasonable. Lockdowns, probably, do not help to reduce total (all time) number of cases in the country. But lockdowns help to reduce number of cases in the country (or in particular area) which happen SIMULTANEOUSLY. Lockdowns only make sense in case if the health system in the area is overloaded, and there is not enough IC units and/or ventilators. So, the patients who otherwise would be easily treated may not be able to receive medical help due to the health system's collapse. That's exactly what happened in Bergamo, In NY, in some areas of Brasil and Mexico. And we are very close to such a situation in Ontario now - about 95% of IC units are occupied at the moment.

[Sid Belzberg]

Sid,

I totally agree with you that early intervention is the major key for success (although 85% is a bit overstated). But early intervention is not the first level of defence - it is the second one.

1. First level is not to allow virus spread in the country. That is exactly what Taiwan did. They did not close economy, they did not make lockdowns for everybody. They just put into quarantine everyone who entered the country. And for Taiwan this was the major reason, why they were such successful in fighting covid-19. They totally have had 1,050 cases only with 10 total deaths. Their case per million rate (44) is more than an order of magnitude less than mortality per million rate (609) in Canada. And Canada is not the worst. In Taiwan there were only about 200-300 people who needed any treatment. Perhaps, there was an early intervention for them as well, but in case of Taiwan this was a secondary matter.

2. If the country is not able to put everyone entering the boarder into quarantine (unfortunately, most countries were not able), then an early intervention becomes the second major factor.

3. And if early intervention was not applied - than in some situations lockdowns are reasonable. Lockdowns, probably, do not help to reduce total (all time) number of cases in the country. But lockdowns help to reduce number of cases in the country (or in particular area) which happen SIMULTANEOUSLY. Lockdowns only make sense in case if the health system in the area is overloaded, and there is not enough IC units and/or ventilators. So, the patients who otherwise would be easily treated may not be able to receive medical help due to the health system's collapse. That's exactly what happened in Bergamo, In NY, in some areas of Brasil and Mexico. And we are very close to such a situation in Ontario now - about 95% of IC units are occupied at the moment.

“Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries: more severe lockdown policies have not been assoc with lower mortality.. The lockdowns have not worked as intended”

https://academic.oup.com/cesifo/adva...fab003/6199605

And if early intervention was not applied - then in some situations lockdowns are reasonable

The first line of defense is always treatment and treatment as early as possible. The NIH and Health Canada guided the opposite. Countries that went against the WHO policy of therapeutic nihilism without exception fared well. There is no excuse for not treating patients before hospitalization and Western Countries that did otherwise and interfered with Dr's making responsible risk-based analyses have blood on their hands.
No Hospitalizations = No Pandemic= No Lockdowns ...period full stop!